RUSSIA, CHINA to sell planes to Pakistan

FreeAsia2000

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All i'm going to say is TOLD YOU SO. :D

It appears that Russian-Pakistani relations are now in a new spring
also Pakistan has given the F-16's the cold shoulder.

I suspected that the earthquake reason was only an excuse to turn
them down without making the US lose face.

Pakistan may buy US, Chinese and Soviet planes

By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has decided to purchase state-of-the-art Chinese F-10 (Jian-10) multi-role fighter-cum-bomber planes

Meanwhile Moscow has signalled to Pakistan that like the US, it could also de-hyphenate its ties with Pakistan and India. As a result of this change in thinking, Pakistan could also go for Russian made planes for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).



Meanwhile Pakistan is also eying the Russian defence production market. When President General Pervez Musharaf visited Moscow in February 2003, the Russians offered to Pakistan choppers but the deal could not materialize for certain reasons and now Islamabad has received positive signals from Moscow that could encourage it to buy some Russian planes. The Russian technology is very close to that being used by the Chinese and it would not be a difficult proposition for Pakistan to maintain such a system if Russians agree to supply Pakistan, the sources hinted. The Russian defence products are comparatively cheaper than the Western products.

Sources said that Islamabad and Moscow have started making contacts to initiate cooperation in the field of defence in some way. The Russians stakes are high in the case of defence supplies for the Indians but ever since New Delhi has opted to go in Washington's orbit in a big way, Moscow is considering Pakistan's request favourably, the sources added.

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Indianfighter

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The news about the sale of J-10s to Pakistan by China was expected, as the J-10 was demonstrated to general Musharraf, when he visited China last month.The Chinese do not usually demonstrate their weapons to visitng dignitories.

But the news about the sale of weapons by Russia to Pakistan is suspicious, if not impossible. Russia has clearly denied the sale of RD-93 engines to Pakistan since the beginning of 2006. So the sudden proposals of helicopter sales and other hardware does not seem possible.

The situation is analogous to military co-operation between India and China.
 

vincelee

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no it's not.

Russia needs a new customer. Besides, while India might currently be Russia's largest arms importer, that could change very quickly, just look at China.

However, the quality of the article is...subpar.
 

FreeAsia2000

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vincelee said:
no it's not.

Russia needs a new customer. Besides, while India might currently be Russia's largest arms importer, that could change very quickly, just look at China.

However, the quality of the article is...subpar.

The Jang for some unknown reason despite having a rather excellent
English section published in London uses software translated material from it's Pakistani offices on it's website.

However Pakistani-Russian relations are moving ahead at a good pace although
the Russians think it's not fast enough

Thursday, March 02, 2006 E-Mail this article to a friend Printer Friendly Version

Pakistan and Russia agree to boost economic relations

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan and Russia have agreed to find ways to boost economic relations between the government and private entrepreneurs of the two countries.

Russian Ambassador Sergey N Peskov called on Dr Salman Shah, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance, Revenue, Economic Affairs and Statistics, at the ministry of finance on Wednesday and discussed matters of mutual interest, including ways to expand economic and trade links between the two countries and their private sectors.

While discussing bilateral trade and various projects of construction and power sectors, it was felt that the current two-way trade of $300 million a year is much less than the potential and resource bases of the two countries. The meeting agreed to find ways to boost the economic links in different fields between the government and private entrepreneurs of the two countries.

The Russian ambassador informed that a delegation of top companies of Russia would visit Pakistan this month and would also hold an exhibition in Karachi to introduce products and services, which could be offered to the government and the private sector for mutual. He said they were eager to participate in power projects in Pakistan as well as avail of the upcoming investment opportunities under the privatization programme of Pakistan, including participation in bidding for the Pakistan Steel.

While giving a brief introduction of Pakistan’s economy and its transparent privatization programme, Dr Shah pointed out that the adjacent excess land of Pakistan Steel, Karachi, would be offered to establish an industrial park, manufacturing units of automobile and various manufacturing clusters. It would increase the profitability of the Pakistan Steel.

The adviser suggested to the Russian ambassador to explore the possibilities of reviving old export houses, which used to export textile and other products to Russia and vice versa.

The meeting agreed to find ways to improve transportation, including cargo movement, between the two countries through land and air routes in the framework of the Shanghai Forum. staff report

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for instance see the recent purchase of Pakistans steel mills by a joint Saudi-Russian group...unthinkable a few years ago

Of course Pakistan will need to be careful in any assistance it agree's to provide Russia.
 
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Indianfighter

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The relationship between India and Russia is metamorphosizing into co-operation from the previous one of buyer-seller.
Co-operative projects such as the Brahmos missile, avionics of the Su-30 MKI, nuclear-powered submarine, launching of GLONASS sattelites by India, besides their joint-development, proposal for joint development of 5th generation interceptor and the latest offering by Russia of the I-2000 jet for the 126 MMRCA combat jet tender of India are indications of this.

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Thus, the co-operation between Russia and India shall be affected if Russia sells military hardware to Pakistan, since the very purpose of the co-operation shall be lost.

Thus, it is unlikely that Russia shall sell military hardware to Pakistan.
 

FreeAsia2000

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Indianfighter said:
The relationship between India and Russia is metamorphosizing into co-operation from the previous one of buyer-seller.
Co-operative projects such as the Brahmos missile, avionics of the Su-30 MKI, nuclear-powered submarine, launching of GLONASS sattelites by India, besides their joint-development, proposal for joint development of 5th generation interceptor and the latest offering by Russia of the I-2000 jet for the 126 MMRCA combat jet tender of India are indications of this.

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Thus, the co-operation between Russia and India shall be affected if Russia sells military hardware to Pakistan, since the very purpose of the co-operation shall be lost.

Thus, it is unlikely that Russia shall sell military hardware to Pakistan.


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Moderators edit: This thread has nothing to do with tanks. Please be carefull what you post.

--Our relations with Pakistan have changed since this tank sale was originally discussed: (1) US intelligence facilities in Pakistan have closed; (2) 200 Soviet tanks are scheduled to be delivered by the end of 1970.

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Unfortunately IndianFighter you see everything as a zero-sum game.

Pakistani gain = Indian loss. Life isn't as simple as that and Russian calculations of diplomatic gain are not hostage to Indian wishes.

The world is moving into a stage where Russia is recognising Pakistan's potential as a route to the Indian ocean and it's links with the rest of the Muslim world. If you ever visit Pakistan you'll be stunned to see how Pakistan
is now interacting with Central Asia.
 
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Look guys, we just got one thread closed on this forum, because this news was already posted in the J-10 thread. Now, you are starting another one? Since it seems to be more about the warming of Pakistani and Indian relationship, I will let it slide. Just make sure to check the threads in the future, okay?
 

FreeAsia2000

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tphuang said:
Look guys, we just got one thread closed on this forum, because this news was already posted in the J-10 thread. Now, you are starting another one? Since it seems to be more about the warming of Pakistani and Indian relationship, I will let it slide. Just make sure to check the threads in the future, okay?

Sorry I didn't realise you had already posted it.

I wanted to refer to the fact that Pakistan may be buying Russian weapons in future.

Apologies i've edited the Jang article to reflect that fact
 

ArjunMk1

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Gollevainen's edit: This thread has nothing to do with either tanks nor India so watch out what you post!!!
 
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FreeAsia2000

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ArjunMk1 said:
Its J10 with Ruskie Engine that is going to enter Pakistan !!! Thats all , Pak taboloids are famous for making fables . Do u think Pakistan will buy Mig29s , Flankers from Russia ??? Indians know these machine inside out , its far safer to buy things from China !! Moreover if India quits Russians and switch to american industries , Russian defence firms will just starve to death ....

BTW : When did Russia gave tank tp Pak ?? I thought that the order was later cancelled and Pakistan ended up with Chinese Type 59.

Well it's a start....the longest journey begins with a single step.

of course Russia is going to need Pakistan more in the future than Pakistan
will need Russia because Pakistan is well on the route to becoming one
of the world's major transit routes for energy.

Saudi-China via Pakistan
Iran - India via Pakistan
Goods via China to middle east via Pakistan

labour and services via everywhere else to Sunni Central Asia..
it's unbelievable how many Central Asians there are now in
Pakistan and vice versa and Urdu is becoming THE business language
in Central Asia.

Plus of course lets not forget the massive influence that Pakistan
has on islamic nations in the middle east and beyond. Which is
Pakistan's 'soft power' or cultural influence on the rest of the world

Perhaps you should look at the role of shipping in the rise of nations ?

A good essay to read is at

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