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c721254841

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How are you, I am a Chinese, and my English is not good, I am sorry,



See solarz posts The greatest military strategist in Chinese history? I found that you have very little understanding of Chinese history and has a lot of bias, since the original quote The greatest military strategist in Chinese history? Too long so I re-opened one to explain your some of the issues.

Characters you have mentioned is only a small part of Chinese strategists, some of which are not regarded as great.

China's greatest strategist in the 3000 years ago or earlier, I think the greatest strategist the "Yellow Emperor" He is the first unification of China's monarch, and his book "Yellow Emperor Yin Fu Jing," was the first Art of War books, grandson of the "The Art of War" set forth the basic is "Huang Di Yin Fu Jing" in thinking.

We can talk about "The Art", a grandson of the Warring States period in Chinese history, one of the great strategists, you only know that he's "Art of War" did not know he led the battle, I have a brief look at it, according to ancient history books Sun can be recorded in a group of untrained girls defeated two times the regular army, with 100 soldiers in 3500 to defeat a superpower of that period, because of his "Art of War" is a lot of strategists for future generations to learn, so he was affectionately known as "soldier saint . "

At the same time there are many at that time a great strategist, and some even more than Sun, but left no books, no public works or works so I do not known, more well-known of which are "Guiguzi", "Han Fei Zi," "Mozi", "Zhuang Zi", "Li Si" and so on, there are many I do not remember the name, and Ha ha!

My English is too bad, so you may not fully understand the contents of the posts I wrote I hope you forgive me, if you have any questions please let me know, thank you, good to write this today, and if you want it, I can organize some Chinese strategists for each period, a list of the great, good-bye!

Make it clear that the ancient Chinese strategic approach has reached you (including many Chinese people) can not understand the point, as early as 2,000 years ago, strategists have already mastered the strategic use of time and space, like grandson, Zhuge Liang, Liu Bowen, and so well-versed in these methods, in China, this method is called "Qi Men Dun Jia," the earliest recorded use of this method is the "Yellow Emperor"
 
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China's greatest strategist in the 3000 years ago or earlier, I think the greatest strategist the "Yellow Emperor" He is the first unification of China's monarch, and his book "Yellow Emperor Yin Fu Jing," was the first Art of War books, grandson of the "The Art of War" set forth the basic is "Huang Di Yin Fu Jing" in thinking.

The yellow Emperor has always been considered to be the founding father of the Chinese civilization. The legend accredits him to almost everything that we do today, including farming, hunting, cooking, medicine, military, architecture, etc. etc. etc. Well, can someone be that great? I mean this guy almost single-handedly invented Chinese civilization. are we talking about one person or a combination of great leaders in prehistoric China? He was great, but most of this stuff is legend and myth. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, Chinese history can only be officially dated to about 4000-4500 years ago. We have no evidence what-so-ever about anything before Shang dynasty. So including the Yellow Emperor is little shaky, IMHO.

We can talk about "The Art", a grandson of the Warring States period in Chinese history, one of the great strategists, you only know that he's "Art of War" did not know he led the battle, I have a brief look at it, according to ancient history books Sun can be recorded in a group of untrained girls defeated two times the regular army, with 100 soldiers in 3500 to defeat a superpower of that period, because of his "Art of War" is a lot of strategists for future generations to learn, so he was affectionately known as "soldier saint . "

The training of the concubines has been considered a legend at best.

strategists have already mastered the strategic use of time and space, like grandson, Zhuge Liang, Liu Bowen, and so well-versed in these methods, in China, this method is called "Qi Men Dun Jia," the earliest recorded use of this method is the "Yellow Emperor"

I think we should avoid the direct translation of "Sun Zi" to English "grandson". Although the guy's name, Sun Zi, contains the exact Chinese characters as in the term "grandson", it is absolutely not the meaning of his name. During the Zhou Dynasty, an accomplished male would be called "Zi" following his last name. Like confucius, his last name is Kong, thus he was called Kong Zi, much like Mr. so-and-so in English, I guess. In fact, as we talk about Sun Zi, as of now, absolutely no physical evidence has been found about this guy. People have been suspecting that "Sun Zi" might be several people. They got together and wrote the book "the art of war".

Also the "Qi Men Dun Jia" would be considered in the same league as astrology and palm reading. Although I'm not saying they are fake, there is still no evidence that they are real. It would be the best if we could stick with physical world and actual military strategy.

Also Zhuge Liang historically has been considered to be an excellent administrator, NOT a military strategist. Many of other people's military success was accredited to him by Luo Guanzhong, the author of the famed novel, the romance of the 3 kingdoms. One good example would be the famous battle of the red cliff. Although Zhou Yu did almost all the work, the novel gives all the credit to Zhuge Liang.
 

pla101prc

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i LOLed when you translated Sun Zi into grandson, you are a funny guy i like you.
this post should merge with the original one.
 

c721254841

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Qi Men Dun Jia is not astrology, you say yes because you do not understand the ancient Chinese wisdom, Qi Men Dun Jia is a complex spatio-temporal model, if you go to China to be able to find people to prove his authenticity. Strategies for the future of humanity will definitely change from the physical world to the time and space.



With regard to the Yellow Emperor, no one said he was a man invented the Chinese civilization ah. There are many Chinese history books have documented the existence of the Yellow Emperor in ancient China who write history are rigorous and will never tamper with history, as Sima Qian, Han Wudi was not adapted for disabled history.

Shang people had been in the construction of the temple to worship the Yellow Emperor, and you think they would be a non-existent, or those who can not do



With regard to Zhuge Liang, if not how a good military strategists have the ability to help build energy and Wei and Liu Bei Wu Shu resistance. There Zhuge Liang's strategy to be in the Three Kingdoms and other non-fiction history books have recorded, the author of Romance of Three Kingdoms, "Luo Guanzhong's Romance of Three Kingdoms, also verified to write a lot of historical data, not fabricated out of thin air.

However, when more than three great strategist Zhuge Liang, there are many.:rofl::rofl:

:pHaha, say my English is not good. I get to use translation software, and simply in Chinese Bar
 
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The yellow Emperor has always been considered to be the founding father of the Chinese civilization. The legend accredits him to almost everything that we do today, including farming, hunting, cooking, medicine, military, architecture, etc. etc. etc. Well, can someone be that great? I mean this guy almost single-handedly invented Chinese civilization. are we talking about one person or a combination of great leaders in prehistoric China?.

Actually I have to disagreed with you on this. Yellow Emperor (黄帝)is not the only founding father of the Chinese civilization. When we said about Chinese Civilization, we always said that we are the descendant of Yan Huang, (炎黄子孙)which actually mean, we are descendent of the Yan Emperor and the Huang Emperor.

As legend has it, Yellow Emperor (Huang Di) is actually normads while the Yan Emperor (Yan Di) is actually the one who created agriculture system in China. They are two different people. And it is Yellow Emperor who managed to conquered Yan Emperor in the end.
 
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pla101prc

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Huang Di isnt known for military strategy at all, back then military strategies and tactics were pretty primitive.
 

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With regard to Zhuge Liang, if not how a good military strategists have the ability to help build energy and Wei and Liu Bei Wu Shu resistance. There Zhuge Liang's strategy to be in the Three Kingdoms and other non-fiction history books have recorded, the author of Romance of Three Kingdoms, "Luo Guanzhong's Romance of Three Kingdoms, also verified to write a lot of historical data, not fabricated out of thin air.

Zhuge Liang if you read at all his feats... he is more like a great pyschologist. He knew his opponent's mindset and make use fo that mindset for his and his master's benefit.

However what I believe we were debating in the original post was that he is not the greatest 'military' strategist. He is a great politicians, he know how to react to most situation, he know how to use the correct people for the correct job, and he understand the mindset of his opponents' (Cao Cao, Zhou Yu, King of Wu, etc) he even know his own people's mindset so as to be able to use them to their maximum capability.

However to say that he is a great military strategists, I do not believe so. If comparing military strategists, there are other generals that are better - example, Zhou Yu and even Cao Cao himself.

Although you would argue that Zhuge Liang defeated both Zhou Yu and Cao Cao... but if I may... it is really not in military strategists and tactics that he won over them... in actual fact he won over these people through a series of tricks and runes because he knew his opponents inside out and all their weaknesses.
 
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c721254841

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Do not agree with what you say the emperor's strategic approach to a very primitive to say the emperor with the "Chi You," when the fighting will use "Compass." Training will also help to live the fighting beast.
 

c721254841

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Said, "wise" is a good administrator's statement is also wrong, in fact, "wise" is a failed manager, recorded in the Three Kingdoms, "Shu" are internal contradictions within the generals, "Zhao 'In fact, Zhuge Liang will not be reused , Zhuge Liang will not be the best thing is the failure of management, all the big and small are You Taqu resolved, so that the final overworked been exhausted, but than the "wise" older a lot of "Sima Yi" was able to in the "wise" after the death of can lead troops to attack Shu.
 

rhino123

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Said, "wise" is a good administrator's statement is also wrong, in fact, "wise" is a failed manager, recorded in the Three Kingdoms, "Shu" are internal contradictions within the generals, "Zhao 'In fact, Zhuge Liang will not be reused , Zhuge Liang will not be the best thing is the failure of management, all the big and small are You Taqu resolved, so that the final overworked been exhausted, but than the "wise" older a lot of "Sima Yi" was able to in the "wise" after the death of can lead troops to attack Shu.

I am sorry. I really don't understand what you are trying to convey in the abovementioned paragraph. Could you rephase? So sorry for my stupidity.
 
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