PresentDangerChina.org take on US-China relationship

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tidalwave

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By the way, you are welcome to quote Suntsu all you want. But keep this in mind, to any Chinese person who's well read in classical Chinese literature of any kind, the things you say shows how clueless you are about the things you say.

Don't be vague. Be specific
What exact point that shown you I am clueless.

Over generalization is no good.
 
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tidalwave

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It doesn't matter what you guys think or even Chinese leadership think if Trump or any of his cohorts of ANY American or western allies their behaviours are illogical, dumb or immoral - it really doesn't matter at all.

What matter is is China prepared for it?

What is China going to do when threat materialized? When bomb start falling what is China going to do? When companies are threatened and economy is on the verge of destruction WHAT IS CHINA GOING TO DO?

Chinese leadership doesn't seem to be prepared for anything. The opaqueness they projected and used as a shield is crumbling. All it shows is just how unprepared they are.
The african swine flu is out of control in China (it may even be the first salvo of PHYSICAL economic warfare) and now Chinese pork economy is wrecked and the need to import pork adds to the burden of already weaken chinese economy.

Do you think Chinese adminstration is even remotely prepared for MORE agricultural destruction? What's next? Chicken?? Rice??
This kind of thing never get to this level in the west - because the west is prepared. There are agencies on local and regional level, there are containment plans and agencies setup to deal with it. Companies that are fostered to develop and combat these threats. Little to no such thing in China. China is WIDE OPEN FOR ATTACK. Completely ill-prepared.
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(2018) And it remains to be the ONLY ONE. For country of China's size this is laughable. Even INDIA has 4.

Does China have containment plans for these threats? Are there agencies setup and empowered to stop these threats? Are there corporations fostered to develop and combat these threats? ITS BEEN 17 YEARS SINCE THE 2002 SARS OUTBREAK and it looks like China is still completely ill-prepared for this kind of threat. The SARS outbreak and the subsequent birdflu and N1H1 should have been the alarm bells for China. But China sadly is still not prepared to this day.

If Steve Bannon influence Trump to start covertly deploying variety of infectious bio-weapon(s) across China - do you think China is prepared? Or are they still going to argue pointlessly about how immoral, illogical it isused on China until all are dead?
Swine flu doesn't affect human.

No pigs, just eat chicken. People are not going to die without pork.

Worst yets all animals affected, just become vegetarians for a while.
 

SpicySichuan

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A winning by most Americans is when China sign a deal demanded

Maybe China think it wins by denying the winning to Trump. He doesn't have the spoils to brag about except I made China suffer.

Maybe even Trump will get tired from all the punching he threw.
This would mean decoupling, which would likely hurt Chinese small businesses and consumers, potentially weakening the CCP's legitimacy. One has to realize that Chinese citizens today are not blind followers of power like back in the 1960s. They are concerned only with their own pocketbooks. If the decoupling causes pain to Chinese consumers and small businesses, there could be a chance their loyalty to the CCP would decrease. Also, many rich Chinese already own properties and have permanent residency in Anglo-Saxon countries (U.S., Canada, and Australia), and their loyalty depends on which side provides them the most long-term material benefits plus business opportunities. Capital flight is one powerful weapon the rich and middle class Chinese could use to backstab the CCP.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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You underestimating Bannon. He lived in China before, and has close Chinese friends


First of all, Bannon did NOT lived in real China, because Hong Kong doesn't count.

Secondly, he graduated from Virginia Tech, as well as Harvard Business school. It would be unfathomable if he DOESN'T have one or two close Chinese friends.

Thirdly, I judge him from what he wrote and his reasons behind what he advocates for. I am not impressed. Compare to whatever grand strategy he came up with, democrats and the TPP are much worse threat for China.

lol, BTW, two youtubers, one called SerpanZA, the other CMilk have lived in China for much longer than Bannon. They also claim to know about China, and confident about their own intelligence. Yet they don't know a f**king thing.
 

tidalwave

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This would mean decoupling, which would likely hurt Chinese small businesses and consumers, potentially weakening the CCP's legitimacy. One has to realize that Chinese citizens today are not blind followers of power like back in the 1960s. They are concerned only with their own pocketbooks. If the decoupling causes pain to Chinese consumers and small businesses, there could be a chance their loyalty to the CCP would decrease. Also, many rich Chinese already own properties and have permanent residency in Anglo-Saxon countries (U.S., Canada, and Australia), and their loyalty depends on which side provides them the most long-term material benefits plus business opportunities. Capital flight is one powerful weapon the rich and middle class Chinese could use to backstab the CCP.

China already said not scared of decoupling from US. China will continue to do business with EU.

You seems to be concerned.

Don't worry about capital flight. It's water proof, all those underground channel and secret channels got plugged up. Leakproof.

Last yr Fan Bing Bing actress case is all about control capital flight from mainland
 

Ultra

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We understands full well what Bannon is and what he stands for. He doesn't understand us.

The motives behind the kind of thoughts that You and @Ultra pushes forward is nothing but spreading fear. Your words only mystifies the power of terror the US possesses. This inflates the power the US, and erodes the confidence and resolve of the Chinese public. All of these is to achieve the goal of scaring the Chinese into accepting a back-breaking deal, or to jump the gun and act rashly. I repeat, these tricks are meaningless against a civilization with the size and depth of China.


Its not spreading fear. Its REALITY. You guys need to wake up.
The unpreparedness of Chinese culture astounds me to no end.

Because Chinese never seem to be prepared for the worst, IT ALWAYS SUFFERS.

2002 SARS - 5000 dead.
2008 Sichuan earthquake 90,000 dead or missing. $150 billion loss (2008
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2008 Sanlu milk scandal - 300,000 victims, 54,000 babies hospitalized - Chinese baby formula industry completely wrecked now relying on "Daigou".
2019 African Swine flu - 200 MILLION pigs dead. (
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The list goes on and on and on.

One thing you need to realize is - FEAR is what drives American culture to be the superpower that it is today. Fear made America strong by forcing them to be prepared. They are living in a constant existential crisis, and fear drives them to plan, to be prepared and to innovate. There is nothing that drives a man than existential crisis. Except Chinese LOL! Chinese never learn. EVER.

Chinese culture experienced countless existential crisis throughout human history and yet culturally Chinese are always unprepared. That's why Chinese suffers. And deservingly so.
 
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tidalwave

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First of all, Bannon did NOT lived in real China, because Hong Kong doesn't count.

Secondly, he graduated from Virginia Tech, as well as Harvard Business school. It would be unfathomable if he DOESN'T have one or two close Chinese friends.

Thirdly, I judge him from what he wrote and his reasons behind what he advocates for. I am not impressed. Compare to whatever grand strategy he came up with, democrats and the TPP are much worse threat for China.

lol, BTW, two youtubers, one called SerpanZA, the other CMilk have lived in China for much longer than Bannon. They also claim to know about China, and confident about their own intelligence. Yet they don't know a f**king thing.

He lived in shanghai
 

SpicySichuan

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China already said not scared of decoupling from US. China will continue to do business with EU.

You seems to be concerned.

Don't worry about capital flight. It's water proof, all those underground channel and secret channels got plugged up. Leakproof.

Last yr Fan Bing Bing actress case is all about control capital flight from mainland
What I am saying is that these rich and middle class Chinese could easily be allies of the U.S. in the latter's strategic competition with the CCP Party State. Also, if you look at how fast ARM and other UK-based firms comply with the Huawei Ban, it is only a matter of weeks before EU-based telecom firms start turning against Huawei.
 

tidalwave

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So? Living in Shanghai for a short while makes him an expert now? Are you kidding me?
He told audience he stayed in China for few years doing business.
He said he traveled to see the 2008 Beijing Olympics and see the pregame show and made him realized China harboring deep ambition
 
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