PRC/PLAN Laser and Rail Gun Development Thread

taxiya

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CPA is used in Ma's carrier catapult system. He said himself in an interview. Not sure about the latest railgun since nobody released any info on that.
I suspected that CPA is just another fancy name for flywheel by the word "alternator" before you mention it. They are the same because of the mechanical energy stored in the rotating alternator/flywheel.

Yes, In Ma's paper he said flywheel for his EM cat. But in the same paper he also said "Battery + Super capacitor" for his EM gun.

The paper made comparison and concluded that flywheel is less power dense than super capacitor although more energy dense. The gun need much higher sudden release of energy in a very short period of time, therefor the high power density than the Cat. The battery act as a buffer between the power grid and the capacitor.

Essentially, super capacitor is the only practical means of EM gun for this moment. CPA or flywheel is too weak in power (the paper by Kurutoga was about an earlier work), now has been dropped by Ma. The only future (known today) substitute of super capacitor is Super conduct power storage. But that is in early lab experiment according to Ma's paper.

The paper is "电磁发射系统中电力电子技术的应用与发展"
 

kurutoga

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I suspected that CPA is just another fancy name for flywheel by the word "alternator" before you mention it. They are the same because of the mechanical energy stored in the rotating alternator/flywheel.

Yes, In Ma's paper he said flywheel for his EM cat. But in the same paper he also said "Battery + Super capacitor" for his EM gun.

The paper made comparison and concluded that flywheel is less power dense than super capacitor although more energy dense. The gun need much higher sudden release of energy in a very short period of time, therefor the high power density than the Cat. The battery act as a buffer between the power grid and the capacitor.

Essentially, super capacitor is the only practical means of EM gun for this moment. CPA or flywheel is too weak in power (the paper by Kurutoga was about an earlier work), now has been dropped by Ma. The only future (known today) substitute of super capacitor is Super conduct power storage. But that is in early lab experiment according to Ma's paper.

Yes my understanding is CPA is a particular type of flywheel. A while back I quoted a rail gun engineer from China and he also mentioned CPA in an existing railgun. The issue is once he is allowed to disclose that, it means the date it was done was long gone. We can't conclude it was a reflection of current reality.

One reason they used six (three pairs) in parallel in that test is probably due to its power disadvantages. And I think the efficiency is almost certainly worse than capacitors. Again those numbers from that paper are for reference only; they can be considered a baseline.
 
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taxiya

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Yes my understanding is CPA is a particular type of flywheel. A while back I quoted a rail gun engineer from China and he also mentioned CPA in an existing railgun. The issue is once he is allowed to disclose that, it means the date it was done was long gone. We can't conclude it was a reflection of current reality.

One reason they used six (three pairs) in parallel in that test is probably due to its power disadvantages. And I think the efficiency is almost certainly worse than capacitors. Again those numbers from that paper are for reference only; they can be considered a baseline.
Just a comment to the bold texts, flywheel's disadvantage is not its efficiency being lower than capacitor. It is its lower power density. Flywheel's character is closer to (chemical) battery than to capacitor. It store lots of energy, but like battery can not release that energy as quick as capacitor, therefor lower power density. It is also why in EMALS, four flywheels are used for one launch, each only provide 1/4 of the needed power for a max launch. After each launch, each flywheel retains lots of unused energy. Capacitor can release almost all energy at split of second. The reason of flywheel being used for EM cat is because its high total releasable energy than Capacitor (no matter how powerful, it does not store enough energy in the comparable footprint) and the launch takes many seconds. However, in EM gun, the total energy is much less while power requirement is very high. A gun system using only flywheel will need many of them to add up the power output, that will make the system huge. That is why the last storage system can only be capacitor, the USN and PLAN all follows this path. However, in PLAN case, we have battery as the buffer between capacitor and grid. I am not sure if USN choose flywheel (CPA) as that buffer, they could have as I said earlier that flywheel is similar to battery in performance. I would not be surprised that CPA was considered by PLAN in the place of battery at one point of time, or it is unlikely but possible that the word "battery" in Ma's paper refers to "mechanical" battery (CPA).

A good analogy would be flash of camera where the spark light is powered by a capacitor which is charged by a battery.

[Edit]: Just had another thought immediately after posting.
If by efficiency, you mean efficiency of "discharging speed"(power density), then you are right that efficiency is low.
 

Hendrik_2000

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From Oedo latest picture. She is still in the harbor when is the show?
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Probably on break for another week, until after Spring Festival.
me waiting Feb 4, 2018
oh the Chinese might entertain me (by showing what happened to like five-store-building and now a target-barge while hit), but of course they wouldn't

the energy of a railgun's shot is a fraction of what large-bore guns delivered Yesterday at 8:32 PM; its projectile mass negligible

so it'll be interesting to see what happens during several miliseconds inside the target, what was worth the effort

period
 

siegecrossbow

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China's Held Technology Science Co., Ltd. released IDEX 2017 "Silent Hunter" optical fiber laser air defense system.
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で光ファイバレーザ防空システム「サイレントハンター」を公開された。

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I believe this was first released February last year. Did anyone buy it?
 
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