Power Armor?

no_name

Colonel
I was thinking about this conversation because lately we've been seeing a lot talk about robots now for military purposes. When I see like DARPA developing robots and how they look, I hope they're just experimenting or appealing to people's vanity in order to get public support. The one thing I see common in fantasy and real life is the robot soldier of the future has to be made as human as possible. Realistically the human form is limiting in combat. If I looked at how movies portray military robots and which would be more realistic for combat conditions than most, I would have to pick the movie Red Planet.


It's a fast, nimble, and stealthy configuration and not just because it was portrayed like that in the movie. It can stand like a bi-ped when needed and travel on uneven terrain better because being on fours can keep it stable at high speed. Now the trick is the power source as with everything. No technology exists today where you can make a robot operate on its own for days, weeks, or months at a time.

I think adoption of human form may also depends on mission profile, i.e. disguised as human for infiltration.
 

texx1

Junior Member
I was thinking about this conversation because lately we've been seeing a lot talk about robots now for military purposes. When I see like DARPA developing robots and how they look, I hope they're just experimenting or appealing to people's vanity in order to get public support. The one thing I see common in fantasy and real life is the robot soldier of the future has to be made as human as possible. Realistically the human form is limiting in combat. If I looked at how movies portray military robots and which would be more realistic for combat conditions than most, I would have to pick the movie Red Planet.

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It's a fast, nimble, and stealthy configuration and not just because it was portrayed like that in the movie. It can stand like a bi-ped when needed and travel on uneven terrain better because being on fours can keep it stable at high speed. Now the trick is the power source as with everything. No technology exists today where you can make a robot operate on its own for days, weeks, or months at a time.

It is a shame that Tony Stark doesn't exist in real life. Otherwise, he could mass produce arc reactors for power armours and killer robots. :)
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
That is of course for a full robot. in a Human vs Robot future. Militarrily speaking there are few are's where a humanoid form would be advantages. the Human form is mostly advantagus where the Robots have to interact with Humans on a non combative area or are standing in for humans.
In example Humanoid Robots could be used to act as a "Opfor" in training situations like Live Fire exercises where in humanoid robots could play terrorists and hostages with counter terror units using live ammo and "Terroist" using simulated rounds.
A unit like Delta Force or Devgru then could be given the full mission load up complete with Live ammo and let loose for training in a more realistic environment
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Well Mace, The Aim then is not really Talking it's command and control. A high level shared mind as it were. The "Drones" would in essence upload and maintain ready data on what was happening and where the targets are. Machines are more Efficient in that.
But for a Form I have said that the human form is not really the best shape for a robot. Particularly larger sized. and if you recall in T3 The series 1 Teminators were not humanoid they were tracked platforms in the first Terminator movie the Terminator's were designed as infiltrators. they were designed to penetrate resistance cell safe houses and terminate humans. T2 introduced them minus the Arnie skin as base infantry skynet's core reasoning that by using the common platform it could save resources.
Other major robot's movies that had Human "Terminators" Was Screamers based on Philip K Dick's "Second Variety" Which were infiltrators as well. they looked and felt Real and acted Human they would then play at being wounded or were shaped like abandoned children. The Human soldiers would respond by opening up there doors and taking the poor child or wonded soldier in and that's when it would all go bad.
The next ones I can think of Was the Cylons of Battle Star Galactica. Now in the original version there was never a giveen reason for the Human form Cylons but in the remake they were infiltrators again.
the Recent Robocop. had Human form's again EM208 but these ones were chosen more for ease of operations in Urban so the Human Shape was suited for Urban mop up, The other was the lack luster RoboCop 3 Japanese Ninja Android which was again a infiltrator.
Robocop himself was mostly a powered armor and his shape comes of course from the fact that there is a Human brain in the machine and a Human Brain is likely to respond better in a human Form.

I think robots looking and acting human to the point humans can't tell the difference is in the realm of not anywhere in the near future. I'm talking about "realistically" in what like DARPA advertises. When I see what they do being promoted, they or the media always compares it to Terminator. I'm not talking robots at the level of how movies portray them. Let me just say first that a combat capable robot in real life is still far off in my opinion simply because of the power source issue. Aside from that I'm looking at a combat robot in realistic terms. When I point to how AMEE mechanically functions, that will be the most realistic of how a combat robot is going work from what movies have portrayed. Realistically I would probably add a couple more appendages to it.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
well Mace Terminator became mainstream Pop culture.
I mean the powered Armor that has developed is automatically compared to Iron man, yet it's nowhere near that in technology or capacity.
A.m.e.e. may be more accurate but the movie it was in was not that big a deal. many people never even saw it Red Planet was a Box office Bomb it came out in 2000 when such technology was becoming realistic almost a full 18 years after Terminator. It came out the same year as Mission to mars from Disney and later John Carpenter's Ghost of Mars meaning it was hardly open to grasp the spot light. Terminator was ground braking at it's time. its' still a pop culture icon. I can go anywhere in the world point my thumb and forefinger and say "Sarah Conner" and everyone gets it. it's a pop culture allegory and if you think about it a scary one as the Terminator's were out to kill all humans. So what else do you compare it to? Robbie the Robot? When Darpa started cooking up Future soldier systems in the 90's where did they get there inspiration? Aliens.
Even today there are comparisons. When Darpa started working on Ground robots there is a history from the Germans in WW2 but Terminator would still be the biggest inspiration same for Iron man and Exoskeletons.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The popularity of the movie is irrelevant because the robots I've seen being developed including combat ones all seem to have the goal of making them as human as possible. The more sophisticated seems to associate it being more human looking. They use Terminator because the movies portray that as the ultimate combat robot. Look at the robot being used on the ISS. I bet they didn't have to make it look like a human. The best robot design is not going to end up looking human.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Okay hold the phone here mace What robots are we talking about there becaase there is Hollywood there is darpa and then there is civilian. the only Military Humanoid Robots I know of are testing units mostly targeted for testing NBC Gear. the rest are either Powered exoskeletons or devices to try and replace lost limbs
Out of Those I cant think of any Military humanoid robots. most are things like Swords and MAARs based on wheels or treads or Wild cat or Unmanned vehicles.
Then starts ups civilian programs that are looking at AI's and human interactions.
Then comes Hollywood who wants robots we can relate to. They want Data and Lore and Robie the Robot and the Terminator Now Are you talking about over hyped History/Discovery channel documentary's voiced by Johnathan Franks showing Art Deco CGI robo warriors like this
[video=youtube_share;imc4xQDp_Fs]http://youtu.be/imc4xQDp_Fs[/video]
and this
[video=youtube_share;Ci7EFmO260E]http://youtu.be/Ci7EFmO260E[/video]
Because although entertaining those are highly unlikely
PETMAN is the only one I can think of that is Human shaped and that because of it's mission testing NBC gear.
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I think the philosophy goes since robots are for replacing human tasks, the aim is to make them look as human as possible. All sectors seem to aim to make them look human. I've see video of what are suppose to be research and development in experimenting with combat robots, I'm not sure if they were all from DARPA, but their basic functions are like a human. That's what I asked in my first post on this subject... Are they just appealing to people's vanity to gain support? Because in the end I bet the robot design for what's practical for combat is going to beat the one that looks human.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Here's something interesting that can be applied to a combat robot. You can have the legs telescope out from the shoulder area. Not sure how well it would work on uneven terrain.

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