Potential backfire from Google Ban

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Gatekeeper

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Yeah I know about the fork. Is HongMeng a fork or an original?

Under Trump the momentum to decouple from US tech is likely to continue but I'm more worried if a China-friendly (seeming) US leader causes a lot of generous goodwill gestures to fly, which may be dangerous to the new OS as it's not likely to be well-established yet by 2020. By 2024 it will be much stronger. But if Huawei signs with Google again to use Android on some of its phones, wouldn't it once again be subject to the Google stipulation of not creating an Android-based new OS?

Hey guys, I'm not a techy. So please help me out here,. Put it in a layman's term, what is a fork, and how is used to access apps.
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solarz

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Hey guys, I'm not a techy. So please help me out here,. Put it in a layman's term, what is a fork, and how is used to access apps.
Thanks

Android is open source. This means everyone can have access to its source code. A "fork" is basically taking a copy of the current source code and making it your own. The downside is that you would be the only one to maintain it, but the upside is that you would be the only one to maintain it. ;)

So if Huawei takes a copy of the current Android and develops their OS based on that, then obviously all existing Android apps would still work, but they would need to be installed via something other than Google Play. Going forward, since Huawei can "merge" new Android updates into their own OS, they can keep that compatibility for as long as they want to spend the time and resource on doing so. It's not easy, but it's not all that difficult for a company of Huawei's size.

Of course, all this only applies to future Huawei devices. Quite a bit into the future, in fact, as existing devices will already have Google's android loaded, and nobody can physically take that away. Since Android is open source, Huawei can still push updates to the OS, so users would be unlikely to notice anything detrimental.
 

tidalwave

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Everything is Linux. Google took the open source Linux and developed Android there fore is also open sourced. Huawei OS is based on Android.

Google banned Huawei affect Google play appstore, Google map, Google chrome brower.

You can install Google play after purchased Huawei phone but is very inconvenience. No Google play means missing alot of third party app.

Its going affect Huawei phone now matter what. Even if Huawei use its own OS.

Easiest just to become a Qualcomm and sell chips.
 

taxiya

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Yeah I know about the fork. Is HongMeng a fork or an original?
Depends on how you define fork.

HongMeng from a overall perspective is originated or based on Android, but with quite some differences. When that difference is big enough, it is not (or could become not) another Android.

The one thing I've heard is that HongMeng is more of a binary OS that applications are compiled to binary code running directly on HW. Android on the other hand was and still is (to a lesser extent) a Interpretive execution machine that is Byte code running on a VM. It is slow.

Another difference is the security part of Huawei's Chinese phone is based on HongMeng, disconnected from Android.

So you can see that, with bits and pieces replaced or changed, very soon HongMeng in its final shape would be very different from Android.

Under Trump the momentum to decouple from US tech is likely to continue but I'm more worried if a China-friendly (seeming) US leader causes a lot of generous goodwill gestures to fly, which may be dangerous to the new OS as it's not likely to be well-established yet by 2020. By 2024 it will be much stronger. But if Huawei signs with Google again to use Android on some of its phones, wouldn't it once again be subject to the Google stipulation of not creating an Android-based new OS?

Once Huawei moves away from Google, there should be no return. This is simply to make sure today won't be repeated, no "friendly gestures" is enough.

However, under certain circumstance Huawei can choose to use Android on their phones sold in Europe as the customers there wish. Huawei should also engage Google if climate becomes better in the future only for commercial reasons.

I think Ren Zhengfei has made it very clear and very balanced in a speech, self-reliance and no self-isolation.
 

solarz

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The name referencing a fork in a road the original takes one turn the new version splinters off.

Yup, it comes from source control practices in programming, where you can branch the main code and merge back any changes. Whereas branches are meant to be merged back into the main code base, forks are copies of the entire code base and meant to be used independently from the original code base.
 

Gatekeeper

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Great, thanks guys.

That's why i like coming here, you learn something new everyday.

Now if Huawai is willing to maintain it, whats the issue going forward?

And also, from i understand then, this ban doesn't affect phones bought prior to the ban, so only affects phones going forward, and the affect is minimal if Huawai is willing to maintain it.

So it should affect the desirability of Huawai phones that much. So why I'm reading that consumers are worry and started to affect sales and stock prices then?

Anyone explain?
 

manqiangrexue

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Great, thanks guys.

That's why i like coming here, you learn something new everyday.

Now if Huawai is willing to maintain it, whats the issue going forward?

And also, from i understand then, this ban doesn't affect phones bought prior to the ban, so only affects phones going forward, and the affect is minimal if Huawai is willing to maintain it.

So it should affect the desirability of Huawai phones that much. So why I'm reading that consumers are worry and started to affect sales and stock prices then?

Anyone explain?
Probably because most people don't do research so when they read the headlines, they just thought everything would stop working on Huawei phones. Most people aren't that smart. After a few months and they learn that everyone's Huawei is still working just fine, they'll realize it's not that big a deal.

And it also doesn't help that I've read media articles that were either written by people who didn't understand or designed to cause panic as they say that all current Huawei devices will lose Google services.
 
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