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Sardaukar20 said:

Part of the speech by Malaysian PM, Anwar Ibrahim at the Boao Forum in Hainan, China. He praised the "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics". And he agrees that development and governance must follow the unique circumstances of an individual country. From that value, he and the Malaysian government are introducing the 'Madani Concept' to create a humanistic nation that fits Malaysia's own historic and cultural circumstances.

Whatever we think about Anwar Ibrahim, he is talking to China, and others much more than the West. Even though he did have some involvements with the US NED, his core character is quite aligned with socialism. He has been fighting for the poor and race equality long before he got involved with the NED. He has this strange idea of a hybrid of Islam and socialism that he likes to campaign alot. Maybe one day if he succeeds in getting Malaysia out of its current rut, he could label his idea as "Socialism with Islamic characteristics". LOL.

For progressive Malaysians, PM Anwar is the fresh start that Malaysia needs to break out of the Mahathir shadow that has dominated Malaysian politics since independence. It’s a good start, but a long journey, because Mahathir's ideology is old, and still very strong amongst the majority Malay populace. It is Mahathir's racist Malay-supremacy ideology that dominates most of the anti-China crap in Malaysia. The Boba Wanwanese culture is still there, but its power is already starting to wane, and it can only affect a portion of the Malaysian Chinese minority. So it’s quite small in the grand scheme of things.
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That, I think, demonstrates why the current panic that China is out to replace the U.S. is bogus. It in fact is not trying to convince other countries to follow its own form of government. What it does advocate is that each and every country must follow the form of governance best suited for itself and alternatives shouldn’t be force on people.

It is like Chinese versus Western view of dedollarization. Westerners think Yuan will replace the dollar whereas the Chinese think other currencies will replace the dollar.
 
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siegecrossbow said:
That, I think, demonstrates why the current panic that China is out to replace the U.S. is bogus. It in fact is not trying to convince other countries to follow its own form of government. What it does advocate is that each and every country must follow the form of governance best suited for itself and alternatives shouldn’t be force on people.

It is like Chinese versus Western view of dedollarization. Westerners think Yuan will replace the dollar whereas the Chinese think other currencies will replace the dollar.
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People have been arguing for a long time that should China and US's place be swapped China as the Hegemon would be much the same way, if not worse.

Recently I thought of a good counter-example to this that's not based on ancient history: after the fall of the Soviet Union it never occurred to China to take on the mantle of the Socialist 老大哥 role that became vacant. Instead China's position remained that no one country or party should have monopoly to interpret what's socialism and what's not. So when DPRK accused China of engaging in capitalist revisionism after the start of the economic reform China's response was basically "well that's like, your opinion man" and not Theory of Limited Sovereignty.
 
Sardaukar20

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siegecrossbow said:
That, I think, demonstrates why the current panic that China is out to replace the U.S. is bogus. It in fact is not trying to convince other countries to follow its own form of government. What it does advocate is that each and every country must follow the form of governance best suited for itself and alternatives shouldn’t be force on people.

It is like Chinese versus Western view of dedollarization. Westerners think Yuan will replace the dollar whereas the Chinese think other currencies will replace the dollar.
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Yup. That is why this new Cold War is so dumb. The Western bloc are on an ideological crusade against a non-existent enemy bloc. They have turned neutral countries and old friends into adversaries. The called the rest of the world a 'jungle'. Their actions made the rest of the world the 'enemy bloc'. This new Cold War have opened many eyes. That the Western ideological crusade was never about truly about freedom and democracy. It's actually about Western control and dominance.

Everything the West is doing now is becoming more counterproductive. The more they attack China and Russia, more they expose their true imperialist and racist mindset. This is not a sustainable Cold War for the West.
 
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Spanish Prime Minister Sanchez arrived in China today to meet with Xi Jinping. Sanchez defended Zelensky's peace plan to Xi and called on China for dialogue to stop "an illegal war."

The Pais newspaper writes that Sanchez will try to "drag" the Chinese leader towards a position on Ukraine that is closer to the European one. What is European position!? According to the European position and Zelensky's peace plan - the war must end with unconditional surrender of Russia. And do these European really think Xi will betray Putin? Are they that nut? Still believing in European superiority. We will see.

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Pedro Sanchez spoke very harshly about Russia to Chinese President Xi Jinping, Vladimir Putin's most important ally, and defended Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky's 10-point peace plan. At the same time, as soon as the meeting with the Chinese leader began, and still with the cameras in front of him, the Spanish prime minister asked Xi for a "dialogue" to end Putin's illegal war.
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baykalov said:
Spanish Prime Minister Sanchez arrived in China today to meet with Xi Jinping. Sanchez defended Zelensky's peace plan to Xi and called on China for dialogue to stop "an illegal war."

The Pais newspaper writes that Sanchez will try to "drag" the Chinese leader towards a position on Ukraine that is closer to the European one. What is European position!? According to the European position and Zelensky's peace plan - the war must end with unconditional surrender of Russia. And do these European really think Xi will betray Putin? Are they that nut? Still believing in European superiority. We will see.

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White fragility at work yo...

But for real will Xi have to hear like 4 versions of the same story from each EUnuchs state leader visiting?
 
siegecrossbow

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BlackWindMnt said:
White fragility at work yo...

But for real will Xi have to hear like 4 versions of the same story from each EUnuchs state leader visiting?
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They'll never do it but if someone irresponsible like me were in charge in China, I'd tell a different story to each of the EU representatives and once they meet up to talk about things amongst themselves, they'll start second guessing each other, further contributing to existing fractures.
 
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