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Also, I do feel discouraged that people on this forum are taking pot shot at B-21, because it doesn't look to be evolutionary over B-2. Let's just think about the challenge it brings:
1) It's an order of magnitude or 2 more stealthy than B-2, so detecting it would be significantly harder than detecting F-22. Whereas China can probably reliably detect F-22 anywhere within the first island chain, you just can't do that with B-21.
2) It's supposed to be cheaper (in 2022 dollars) to produce and maintain than B-2, so USAF can actually get a non trivial number of these things
3) It should have higher availability than B-2. So whereas B-2 was not something that China really had to concern itself with, B-21 is something they have to plan out for many decades. Quantity really matters when you are dealing with strategic bombers.
4) It probably has 5000 to 6000 km combat radius if we use B-2 as a guideline. Just think about that. It can take out from Hawaii and possibly even Seattle and get close enough to China to launch a barrage of VLO LACMs. That is really hard to defend. Now, you have to take out air bases in Australia and Alaska so that B-21 can't fly within like 100 km of your border and drop cheap gliding PGMs against high value targets inside China.

Whereas before, we are mostly worried about B-52s carrying ARRWs or LRASM to attack Chinese fleet and such. Because B-2 and B-1B just aren't available in a large enough quantity to really matter all that much. Now, you have to deal with something that's almost invisible and can operate from further away.
 

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It is reportedly on budget and on time (in terms of hitting deadlines) for now.

Apparantly another 5 has also already been produced, so mass production might already kind of have started? (although it haven't flown yet though)
Outside of the aircraft that was shown last night, all of the other five will be production aircraft. The aircraft from last night will be maintained as a test platform for future technology integration. So I guess you could say they already have five B-21s in various state of production.

I really want to know how many they are going to build per year? 10, 20, 30?
 

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It's pretty pathetic that the US is so happy it managed to improve its completely crippled defense bureaucracy to be marginally less crippled. Don't you think so, Sleepystudent?
I don't think this is a fair interpretation of the B-21 program or US military programs as a whole. The US has a rich history of innovation and rapid production. The 90's and early 00's were kind of an anomaly in which they lacked a strategic goal. On top of that, you are ignoring the likely major advances that exist between the B-2 and B-21.
 

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I don't think this is a fair interpretation of the B-21 program or US military programs as a whole. The US has a rich history of innovation and rapid production. The 90's and early 00's were kind of an anomaly in which they lacked a strategic goal. On top of that, you are ignoring the likely major advances that exist between the B-2 and B-21.
To add on: if the US defense bureaucracy was indeed incompetent: why is it the only military bureaucracy that can deliver a stealth bomber? Why is it the only military bureaucracy that is able be global, keep multiple civil wars frozen in time (Taiwan & Kosovo) and have multiple light engagements all at the same time?

It's because the US isn't incompetent or collapsing or whatever - its that no one cares to report on when it is functioning well
 

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Also, I do feel discouraged that people on this forum are taking pot shot at B-21, because it doesn't look to be evolutionary over B-2. Let's just think about the challenge it brings:
1) It's an order of magnitude or 2 more stealthy than B-2, so detecting it would be significantly harder than detecting F-22. Whereas China can probably reliably detect F-22 anywhere within the first island chain, you just can't do that with B-21.
2) It's supposed to be cheaper (in 2022 dollars) to produce and maintain than B-2, so USAF can actually get a non trivial number of these things
3) It should have higher availability than B-2. So whereas B-2 was not something that China really had to concern itself with, B-21 is something they have to plan out for many decades. Quantity really matters when you are dealing with strategic bombers.
4) It probably has 5000 to 6000 km combat radius if we use B-2 as a guideline. Just think about that. It can take out from Hawaii and possibly even Seattle and get close enough to China to launch a barrage of VLO LACMs. That is really hard to defend. Now, you have to take out air bases in Australia and Alaska so that B-21 can't fly within like 100 km of your border and drop cheap gliding PGMs against high value targets inside China.

Whereas before, we are mostly worried about B-52s carrying ARRWs or LRASM to attack Chinese fleet and such. Because B-2 and B-1B just aren't available in a large enough quantity to really matter all that much. Now, you have to deal with something that's almost invisible and can operate from further away.
1. The B-2 is 40 years old now, so being more stealthy than it is not that impressive.
2. It hasn't been inducted yet, it hasn't even flown. Costs can rise just like they did for the F-35.
3. Being more "available" than the B-2 isn't exactly an achievement. The B-2 like the F-22 was under procured because of the end of the Cold war.
4. Greater range in a smaller platform is brilliant...if we knew it was true. Given the specifications of both is classified.

MIC fluffers seem to be using buzzwords like AI and autonomy, but those aren't integral to a platform...you could put them into a B-2, or even a B-52.

In summary...they've decided to shrink down the B-2 and it's not even ready to fly yet. This is the American version of the Su-75 launch last year.
 

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1. The B-2 is 40 years old now, so being more stealthy than it is not that impressive.
2. It hasn't been inducted yet, it hasn't even flown. Costs can rise just like they did for the F-35.
3. Being more "available" than the B-2 isn't exactly an achievement. The B-2 like the F-22 was under procured because of the end of the Cold war.
4. Greater range in a smaller platform is brilliant...if we knew it was true. Given the specifications of both is classified.

MIC fluffers seem to be using buzzwords like AI and autonomy, but those aren't integral to a platform...you could put them into a B-2, or even a B-52.

In summary...they've decided to shrink down the B-2 and it's not even ready to fly yet. This is the American version of the Su-75 launch last year.
Complete bullshit and not an honest interpretation of this aircraft! Stop trying to downplay the advancements the B-21 offers and the idea of calling it an Su-75 so stupid and laughable it doesn't deserve comment.
 

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1. The B-2 is 40 years old now, so being more stealthy than it is not that impressive.
2. It hasn't been inducted yet, it hasn't even flown. Costs can rise just like they did for the F-35.
3. Being more "available" than the B-2 isn't exactly an achievement. The B-2 like the F-22 was under procured because of the end of the Cold war.
4. Greater range in a smaller platform is brilliant...if we knew it was true. Given the specifications of both is classified.

MIC fluffers seem to be using buzzwords like AI and autonomy, but those aren't integral to a platform...you could put them into a B-2, or even a B-52.

In summary...they've decided to shrink down the B-2 and it's not even ready to fly yet. This is the American version of the Su-75 launch last year.
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This is going to be a headache for Chinese military planners for the next 10 years while they try to find ways to counter the threat that it brings.

B-21 doesn't need to be a revolutionary change over B-2 to be China's greatest threat for the next 3 decades. B-52 is still a threat to China after 70 years of service.
 
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