JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Munir said:

It wasn't said to insult anyone but just a reminder to say something about some posters with the explanantion that JF17 was largely inferior to J10 and why should China go for JF17 (or chinese name) if they could do a j10, j11 and even more... The world of forums is most informative yet sometimes terribly wrong. I predict that it was the same case about China exporting less advanced versions to Pakistan.

Probably the fact that Pakistan has experience of western planes (maintenance and flying) and the fact that they have innovative ideas, means that it has a lot to offer. China and Pakistan do complement eachother. They both will evolve but never alone.

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JF-17 is largely inferior to J-10. Even PAF is saying that with its FC-20 purchase. The question has always been how China wants to equip the regiments not using J-10/J-11B/JH-7A especially when J-8s are still around. Then, you have L-15 in the picture too. At this moment, nothing is official. The only thing we can say is that things are starting to look good for JF-17 thanks to good work of CAC.

As for exporting less advanced version to Pakistan, it's not against Pakistan. It's a simple fact that China never exports its best stuff to anyone. For some reason, that's offensive to you.

By the way, which part of JF-17 and J-10s are due to Pakistan's innovative ideas? I'm curious.

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How is it a fact that China never exports its best stuff?

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Londo Molari said:

How is it a fact that China never exports its best stuff?

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Have you seen it exporting its best stuff in the past 10 years?

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tphuang said:

Have you seen it exporting its best stuff in the past 10 years?

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Well to be fair its not like China had a whole slew of high quality stuff to export until the past couple of years. F-7s, A-5s, and Type 69s weren't exactly 'top of the line'

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I agree with Semi-Lobster.

All this talk of China never exporting its top stuff is hype. Will Pakistan accept equipment that does not meet its requirements especially when its security concern is against a more advanced country?

After all, you cannot export the J-10 with inferior electronics and expect the customer to be satisfied with it. The exported plane must be able to defend the skies in Pakistan and China's technology is not exactly cutting edge that she can do so without making the J-10 less effective.

Only USA can do that and she does it transparently by passings laws forbidding cutting edge technology from being exported. F22 and a new type of anti tank missile that can defeat any tanks armour are some of these weapons prohibited from export to any country.

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dlhh said:

I agree with Semi-Lobster.

All this talk of China never exporting its top stuff is hype. Will Pakistan accept equipment that does not meet its requirements especially when its security concern is against a more advanced country?

After all, you cannot export the J-10 with inferior electronics and expect the customer to be satisfied with it. The exported plane must be able to defend the skies in Pakistan and China's technology is not exactly cutting edge that she can do so without making the J-10 less effective.

Only USA can do that and she does it transparently by passings laws forbidding cutting edge technology from being exported. F22 and a new type of anti tank missile that can defeat any tanks armour are some of these weapons prohibited from export to any country.

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Back in the 90s, Iran was interested in J-8F, but China would only export F-8IIM at that time. That scuttled the deal, but that didn't matter. It's a matter of national security, China has money.

Pakistan can try to get J-10 fitted with Western avionics and such, but it's common sense that the radar/avionics it will be exported with is not the same that PLAAF will use.

And if you look at Pakistan's current economic situation, how much money is China making out of this?

"He said the PAF was capable of serial production of about 40 to 45 JF-17 fighter planes for which it would require between $750-800 million. The government has been sounded on that and has been requested to secure soft credit from China for achieving this objective."

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We should understand tphuang's point...

PAF's requirements do not mean China's best...it can just so happen Chinese export material does meet PAF requirements...and that just means Chinese systems are great. This is an issue a lot of Pakistanis and even many Westerners have trouble swallowing.

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Also, requirements are on many dimensions, not just a single "good".

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And if you look at Pakistan's current economic situation, how much money is China making out of this?

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"He said the PAF was capable of serial production of about 40 to 45 JF-17 fighter planes for which it would require between $750-800 million. The government has been sounded on that and has been requested to secure soft credit from China for achieving this objective."

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China is not participating in the FC1/JF17 project for Financial Gains. CAC is.

China doesn't need Pakistan at all. 100%. These folks who think Pakistan has contributed to the FC1 project even 1% are delusional, powered on nationalistic pride, not reality.

China is ALLOWING CAC to create the JF17 for Pakistan for political reasons. Not for Financial or any other reason. Without China, Pakistan would go under, and end as a nation. India would easily defeat them if it weren't for China's help.

Seriously now. What can China get from Pakistan? Money? Pakistan is begging China for money right now. Pakistan is a beggar nation, China is the world's Bank. Technology? Pakistan is in the Stone Age compared to China.

Will PLAAF induct the FC1? Maybe a handful as trainers. They already have the J10 which is far superior to the JF17. Why would they want the unwanted red haired step child when they already have the J10?

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flyboy2008 said:

China is not participating in the FC1/JF17 project for Financial Gains. CAC is.

China doesn't need Pakistan at all. 100%. These folks who think Pakistan has contributed to the FC1 project even 1% are delusional, powered on nationalistic pride, not reality.

China is ALLOWING CAC to create the JF17 for Pakistan for political reasons. Not for Financial or any other reason. Without China, Pakistan would go under, and end as a nation. India would easily defeat them if it weren't for China's help.

Seriously now. What can China get from Pakistan? Money? Pakistan is begging China for money right now. Pakistan is a beggar nation, China is the world's Bank. Technology? Pakistan is in the Stone Age compared to China.

Will PLAAF induct the FC1? Maybe a handful as trainers. They already have the J10 which is far superior to the JF17. Why would they want the unwanted red haired step child when they already have the J10?

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First post full of nationalistic language, whats your angle with such an emotive post.

No Pakistani is denying China has pretty much done all the work. Still Pakistan contributed money, still counts.

I think your the begger here because your begging for attention. I would give you more respect if you had more posts.

Pakistan is alive and kicking, so deal with it.

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