Americans afraid of China?

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skyhawk2005

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f22fighter said:
i often do question the quality of made in china's weapons. just like cars. most people would only buy made in japan or american cars . would any of you drive a made in ussr car or made in china cars?
made in china weapons are quite questionable. china's nuke , 50 percent might just blow up before it lifts 2 feet off the ground. there would be no need for america to try to nuke china. they will kill themselves first.


Someone ban this idiot. Hey idiot, at the moment, CHina's rockets have a better record than USA. China has been launching rockets into space without a hitch for years now. you can bet that China's miilitary has good quality.

USA cars SUCK. What the hell are you on? GM, Ford are losing marketshare. Americans prefer Japanese/Asian cars than American made junk.
 

drunkhomer

Junior Member
dis is a pretty good not soo biased american report about wut america should do

Meeting China’s Threat

by Adam Teiichi Yoshida



The long-term threat to American security is China’s forward march towards Superpower status. Terrorists like al-Qaeda can kill Americans, but they can’t consign America to second place in the world. China can.

There are nearly a billion and a half people in China. If they attained even a relatively modest per capita GDP of $5000, they’d easily be able to fully challenge American economic dominance. However, there’s no theoretical limit. Nations like South Korea went from subsistence-level economies to Western-level per capita incomes in two generations. China’s about half-way through that process. There’s literally no way to know where China’s ascent could end.

I do not foresee a military threat from China in the near-term (save, perhaps, in the case of Taiwan). The Chinese are too smart for that. The real danger isn’t that the Chinese will become militarily aggressive: it’s that they won’t. The real danger is that the Chinese will prove capable of overtaking the United States and becoming the world’s preeminent power through peaceful competition, rather than force.

This threat demands a multi-pronged approach: military-economic-diplomatic-political.

The military response to China’s threat is obvious. The Armed Forces need to be prepared to confront and beat China.

It’s obvious to me that there’s no point in even trying to build up the ground forces necessary to fight a land war in Asia. We can’t possibly build an army to fight and defeat the Chinese on their home ground.

Remember: China’s economy heavily relies on both exports for foreign exchange and imports of raw materials. You wouldn’t think it from looking at a map, but China’s economic power is dependent upon maritime trade.

Thus, if it ever comes to war against the People’s Republic, the solution is self-evident: a naval blockade combined with the power to strike targets within China itself. If the United States Navy is capable of sinking the People’s Liberation Army Navy to the bottom of the sea (and US Air Power capable of defending American forces from Chinese land-based air forces), then China’s economic power will rapidly collapse.

On ground, China’s military options are limited, at best in terms of a war against the United States. Who is China going to invade? Russia? India? Vietnam? Korea? Let them try.

A naval build-up is the long-term solution to ensuring America’s ability to counter Chinese moves. The ideal mix would feature US Attack Submarines capable of sinking Chinese ships and US Guided Missile Submarines and Surface ships capable of striking inshore backed by a powerful US Carrier fleet, capable of both roles. The United States Navy could easily impose a near-total blockade against the Chinese coast.

On the economic front, we need to make a realistic assessment of China’s economic position. For all of its future potential, the present economic significance of the People’s Republic is heavily overrated. Japan, for example, holds nearly $720 Billion in US Bonds, as compared to China’s $175 Billion. Taiwan is believed to hold nearly half of what the entire mainland holds.

Similarly, the total of US Exports to China in 2004 was only $35 Billion. US imports from China accounted for about $197 Billion.

The latter is, of course, an absurd number. Now, in principle, I’m opposed to trade protectionism. But to have a trade ratio like that is simply a sign that something is totally out of control. It makes good sense to begin to gradually place restrictions on US-China trade, before those numbers grow any further.

It is on the diplomatic front that action is most evidently called for. Chinese diplomats have recently taken to whining about attempts at “containment†against China. They ought to be whining: containment is exactly the approach called for here.

The emergence of the China threat has been a major factor in the recent strengthening of US-Japan ties. This avenue must be pursued further.

In particular, the United States needs to look at developing an anti-Chinese alliance with India. Every possible step to foster Indo-Chinese enmity should be taken. The United States should even, over the long-term, prioritize an alliance with India over an alliance with Pakistan, even if it means countenancing an Indians strike against Pakistan.

This is simply a matter of what each nation has to offer. Pakistan is probably only going to be useful as long as General Musharaff is in power. After that, Pakistan becomes the prime security concern of the United States. An Indian nuclear strike against Pakistan would probably solve a lot of issues for the US.

The possibility of a Russo-American alliance against China should also be explored, though I’m less optimistic about this prospect than I once was. Russia is in a long-term decline and it knows that it’s incapable of resisting a Chinese advance. In particular, Siberia is being flooded with Chinese who’ve crossed the border to work and who are, in many areas, rapidly supplanting the original inhabitants.

Finally, there are political matters. It’s worth remembering that China’s recent prosperity has hardly been evenly spread. In essence, there’s been an accumulating of wealth by a certain segment of individuals. This accumulation has regional issues too, I’d add. I recently read a story about a part of China were state officials were excited because people had recently begun using toilet paper in notable quantities. Not everywhere is Beijing or Shanghai.

Some days I wonder if it wouldn’t be such a bad thing if we covertly worked on stirring up reactionary communist sentiments in rural China. The Cultural Revolution wasn’t that long ago, I’m sure it wouldn’t be that hard to find some people eager to hang the bourgeoisie.

As well, China has internal issues with Moslem terrorists as we do. It wouldn’t be all that bad to try and run a few covert operations to redirect terrorist sentiment in those areas.

It’s worth remembering: China’s advance could come quickly. We need to be prepared to act now, lest we wake up one day and discover ourselves to be living in a world dominated by China.


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f22fighter

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china has rockets in space, yes, china got it from france and other european tech. this tech is 35 years old. in 1969, soviet and usa sent rockets into space already. that is very old fashioned tech. you are a very stupid guy.
i went to china 7 times, and in your hospitals , the medical equipment is from 1940's. there are soooooooo many poor people in china. and yet your govt is building tallest hotel, fastest trains.etc .... china is ready for another revolution. your govt is a big time fool.
 

skyhawk2005

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f22fighter said:
china has rockets in space, yes, china got it from france and other european tech. this tech is 35 years old. in 1969, soviet and usa sent rockets into space already. that is very old fashioned tech. you are a very stupid guy.
i went to china 7 times, and in your hospitals , the medical equipment is from 1940's. there are soooooooo many poor people in china. and yet your govt is building tallest hotel, fastest trains.etc .... china is ready for another revolution. your govt is a big time fool.

Duh. China is a 3rd world country. You cannot compare it to USA. Of course many areas of CHina is still poor. But that's so not the point. China's rise is real, and progress is happening very rapidly. In a few short decades, China will be advanced, comparable to USA, Japan, Korea, and other advanced nations. Its just a matter of time.

And you're the stupid guy. China did not get her rockets from France or Europe. Get a clue, and do some damn basic research, and you'll find that China's rocket history was founded by a brilliant Chinese scientist who studied and contributed to NASA. In other words, China's rockets was 100% indigenous.

BTW, I bet you are some stupid Indian guy. Now..if you want to talk about a poor backward country, India is a better example than China. China is decades ahead of that shitty country.
 

f22fighter

Banned Idiot
i am a proud taiwanse guy.
china is headed to become a big thailand. the rich rule the poor. and you can bribe anyone and do anything with money.
hey, true, shanghai, guangzhou does have great shopping centers.
but, in shangdong they are still killing 9 month old fetuse from pregant women. and hundereds of millions live in shacks.
china will only grow as big as their customers. and i seriously doubt your govt cares about the average chinese. you don't even have the right to vote. i was walking around in shenzhen, i sometimes see high level govt officials walking around with their families in shopping centers. they are soooo cocky , with such cocky attitudes expressions on their faces. i do feel sorry for the average chinese, who are forced ignorance by your ccp.
 
Mr_C said:
dear bd popeye
I m new here, but i have been reading the forum for a very long time. And trust me, u have my utmost respect coz u r the very few who makes logical comments.

No one can know that the USA is almost broke. If people did, the USA economy will collapse.. it is only logical. Thus there is no true evidence. As Sun Tzu said "If u do not stop a war, it will eventually burn itself out". The evidence is all around us. The first is the sudden increase in oil prices and the lack of response in the Hurricane.... the sequence of events corresponds to a government that has a lack of money.

But like i said this is only a strategic point of view.

Am I one of the few that makes logical comments?

And hey look! Vince (f22 fighter) is back. Whats up Vince!?!? Why don't you go away and leave us alone!?!
 

Obcession

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He's vince,he's even posting like him (posts in every goddamn active topic in the general discussion and never says anything in the weapon specific forums like AF and Navy)
 

stonewind

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Why should america fear china and vice versa? Is america so insecure of their power that anyone who matches there military are considered enemies?

I believe it would be a much smarter move to peacefully accept one another as this could contribute to much better world securty and stability. The only obstacle for this move (and a very big one) is Paranoia.

Think of it two powers on each end of the world peacefully coexisting with each other sharing world views and assesing proper plans to balance out the worlds disorder... Hahaha this sounds like a fairy tale or the UN. :D Not a bad idea but we know that nobody likes living under the feet of giants.

There are much more things to understand, too complicated to be solved by a single solution. Ethnic violence, historical based fueds, racism, religious disputes, and imperialism.

As for vince let us sit at the side lines and let the people with more factual views (not necesarrily unbiased) contribute to this thread. And stop sucking up to skyhawk he is too smart for that.
 

H5N1

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drunkHomer
dis is a pretty good not soo biased american report about wut america should do
Meeting China’s Threat

by Adam Teiichi Yoshida

I've read thru the article. It is bias. While the author constantly descride US as the aggressor, but steer clear that fact while describing the situation..
 

FreeAsia2000

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drunkhomer said:
dis is a pretty good not soo biased american report about wut america should do

by Adam Teiichi Yoshida




In particular, the United States needs to look at developing an anti-Chinese alliance with India. Every possible step to foster Indo-Chinese enmity should be taken. The United States should even, over the long-term, prioritize an alliance with India over an alliance with Pakistan, even if it means countenancing an Indians strike against Pakistan.

This is simply a matter of what each nation has to offer. Pakistan is probably only going to be useful as long as General Musharaff is in power. After that, Pakistan becomes the prime security concern of the United States. An Indian nuclear strike against Pakistan would probably solve a lot of issues for the US.

I checked the organisation that owns this website. guess what ? another zionist front company.

more demented ravings from the asylum
 
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