China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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Autumn Child

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If GPS can be crippled then Beidou will also be crippled. If china or US attacks each other satelite then u know there is a major war between those two nations. In this case neither side will care about global economy, just victory and dominance.

Of course we are quite sure about american intentions and they have every right to do so cuz they got the most guns. And because of this all nations that have large economy and does not share US views will challenge that dominance by making more of their own guns. So i guess we are also clear about everyone's intention. So what is the fuss with the US shouting for China's military transperancy? Public support of the less informed maybe?
 

kunmingren

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I can tell you why as a superpower nation, We Americans do not want others to rise up and challenge out standings in the world stage.

Its not a matter of ethics. The more dominant one can do whatever it wants. So long it can justify it with a reason, since its dominant, it gets what it wants.

If China was superpower, it would be doing this to other tributary states as well. Its all about hegemony. China will have the right to do upon others what others have done upon China. Don't question why we invaded Iraq. The answer is clear. We needed a military presence in the middle east to back Israel up.

If you look at Iraq ten to thirty years in the future, you will look back and say....thats American imperialism right there. Your right, it is. We're expanding our terroritorial empire just as the British and Romans did centuries back.

The war is not about oil, iraqi democracy, none of that. Its about cementing American influence in that region and establishing control and strategic military control.

that has nothing to do with military hardware or tactics of any country. you are just intentionaly goading people into a stupid US vs World argument. seriously, dont try to tie up a thread with politics, cuz political discussion never ends.
 

Phead128

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If you re read the comments that I posted and its referrences to previous posted comments, I was just merely explaining why China feels the way it feels now. as in, why it feels like its being treated with a double standard.

That was a legitimate question asked by a prior reader....I don't understand where this is going. If he didn't want an answer, he shouldn't have proposed a question. I wouldn't have answered.

I have no intention of goading ppl into an argument. Please, reread you little dipshit.

The real reason why a double standard exists can be seen from a dominant superpower standpoint. There is no reason why such mere stupid questions to begin with. My view is that political discussions should even exist. Its mere stupidity to argue against double standards. They are right and they exist in the real world because one power can dictate anything it wants when it is backed by political influence and power in the form of respect of economic sanctions/trade and military might.
 

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News about charges of transfer of technology to China by an USA engineer.

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Hawaii man accused of helping China design missile

By AUDREY McAVOY – 17 hours ago

HAIKU, Hawaii (AP) — Cheryl Gowadia couldn't figure out why FBI agents in riot gear, guns drawn, were storming her home on Maui's tranquil North Shore.

At first, she thought they might be after the man building a pond in her backyard. Instead, she was stunned to learn they wanted to question her husband, a former B-2 stealth bomber engineer.

"This came out of nowhere," Gowadia said.

A week later, on Oct. 13, 2005, agents arrested Noshir Gowadia, a native of India who received a Ph.D. at 15, on suspicion he sold military secrets to China.

Maui is an unlikely place for a spy saga., a mostly rural island of 140,000 known more for big-wave surfing and five-star resorts.

But prosecutors say Noshir Gowadia used Maui as a base to design a stealth cruise missile for China. He was indicted on 21 counts of conspiracy, money-laundering and falsifying tax returns.

Despite the seriousness of the charges, the case has received scant public attention.

The defendant has been out of sight since a judge determined he was a flight risk and denied him bail.

And, adding to his obscurity, Gowadia's trial date has been repeatedly postponed as both prosecution and defense lawyers have sought more time to review thousands of pages of classified evidence.

The trial is now due to begin on Jan. 21. Gowadia has pleaded not guilty.

The case comes amid growing U.S. concern about Chinese spying and enhanced prosecution efforts across the country.

Last year, a jury convicted Chi Mak, an engineer for a California-based defense contractor, of conspiring to export U.S. submarine propulsion technology to China. He was sentenced to 24 1/2 years in prison. In June, a Chinese national with Canadian citizenship was sentenced to 24 months for selling fighter pilot training software to the Chinese navy.

Dan Blumenthal, a former China country director at the Pentagon and a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, said Beijing is after technologies that would help it counter the U.S.

"It's not necessarily James Bond-like spying where you have some super spy penetrating the deepest U.S. secrets," Blumenthal said. "It's trying relentlessly to get defense related technology from U.S. companies, U.S. engineers and the U.S. military."

Cheryl Gowadia says that FBI raid nearly three years ago was her first indication her husband was suspected of anything illegal.

Agents scoured every corner of the couple's two-story home, and left with boxes of papers and family photos, including wedding pictures. Officers interrogated her husband in the vacant maid's apartment in the back of the house for six hours.

"They're claiming that we built this house with money he earned illegally," Cheryl Gowadia said, sitting in her living room with floor-to-ceiling windows overlooking Uaoa Bay. "There's isn't a shred of truth in it, not one dime."

Although the house is valued at $4 million, Cheryl Gowadia must live frugally because the couple spent most of their savings hiring a Washington law firm to defend Gowadia. The money ran out a year after his arrest and they're now relying on a court-appointed attorney.

They can't sell the house to raise money because prosecutors have a lien on it, saying Gowadia will have to forfeit the property if he's convicted. The couple's son has been paying the mortgage, but there isn't enough left over for hot water or to maintain the yard.

Gowadia's new attorney, David Klein, declined to make the engineer available for comment.

Gowadia moved to the U.S. from India in the 1960s for postgraduate work. In 1968 he joined defense contractor Northrop Corp., now Northrop Grumman Corp., where he designed elements of the B-2.

He became a U.S. citizen in the 1970s and retired from Northrop in 1986, two years before the B-2 made its public debut.

Cheryl Gowadia said he's honest and, in a way, naive. He didn't bother calling a lawyer when agents showed up at his home and started questioning him.

"He is totally unable to lie. It is not his nature. He's as honest and truthful and trusting as they come," Cheryl Gowadia said.

The indictment alleges he made six trips to China from 2003 to 2005, conspiring to conceal some of his visits by getting border agents to leave immigration stamps off his passport.

In Chengdu in 2003, Gowadia allegedly gave Chinese engineers and officials classified information about missile exhaust systems that emit little heat and thus are hard to detect. The city is home to the Chengdu Aircraft Design Institute, which created the J-10, a state-of-the-art fighter plane China unveiled last year.

Prosecutors allege Gowadia pocketed $110,000 over two years for his exhaust nozzle design.

He's also accused of attempting to sell classified stealth technology to the Swiss government and to businesses in Israel and Germany.

The defendant's son, Ashton Gowadia, said it doesn't make sense that someone with a distinguished career like his father's would sell military secrets. He also questioned why anyone living a comfortable life would sell classified material for so little money.

"We want this thing in court," Ashton Gowadia said. "He wants to show the world that he's innocent and he wants to clear his name."
 

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Bad news for the beer drinkers in the PLAAF.

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China air force bans lunchtime drinking
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A new provision has banned members of China's air force from enjoying a beverage at lunch.

Under the provision that took effect on Monday, air force officers and soldiers may face punishment including demerit, demotion or the sack for drinking alcohol at lunch on working days.

The move aimed to better govern the military according to the law and maintain a good image of the air force with strict measures, an air force source said.

This was the first time for the air force to "formally order" its personnel to stay away from alcohol, the China News Service reported on Monday.

The provision also put harsh restrictions on the driving of vehicles. Officers would be demoted or dismissed, while soldiers were to face demerit if caught driving after drinking.

Their driving licenses would also be revoked, according to the provision.

Officers would be sacked and soldiers would face punishment, including labor reform, if their drunk driving had caused "average accidents," according to the provision.

In China, accidents are categorized into four areas. "Average accidents," or the least severe, refer to those that led to the death of less than three people, or serious injury of 10 people, or direct economic loss of less than 10 million yuan (about 1.46 million U.S. dollars).

Soldiers and officers would also face criminal charges if they caused serious accidents, it said, adding their senior leaders would face possible punishment including a warning or dismissal.

Digital breathalyzers were being installed in sentries and posts at parking lots, aimed at stricter monitoring measures to check alcohol consumption, the military source said.

Source:Xinhua
 

Scyth

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I have some questions about the chinese air defense along the China-India border after reading this article:
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Is China capable defending itself against the su 30 mki?
 

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China submits 2007 military expenditure report to UN

BEIJING, Sept. 4 (Xinhua) -- China has reported its 2007 military expenditures to the United Nations (UN), the second time it has done so since it started participating in the UN Military Budget Transparency Mechanism last year.

The report provides more information than the previous submission, including basic data of the country's military spend for the latest fiscal year. It also explained the main purpose of the expenditures, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said here at a regular news briefing.

This demonstrated again that the Chinese government attached great importance to the issue of military transparency, and actively improved mutual trust with other countries in the military field, she added.

Since last year, China has participated in the UN Military Budget Transparency Mechanism and returned to the Conventional Weapons Registration System, two major mechanism of the UN concerning military transparency.
 

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We have a possible attrition incident here.

Chinese Jet Fighters Collide, Crash in Fujian, Ming Pao Reports

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Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Two Chinese jet fighters collided in midair, crashing in the countryside of southern China's Fujian province, Hong Kong's Ming Pao newspaper said, citing local residents.

The two fighters collided at about 10 a.m. yesterday during a training exercise, the Chinese-language newspaper said. One fighter exploded on crashing into a banana plantation in Longshan township, and the other jet burst into flames on landing in Longyan city, the newspaper said today.

No casualties were reported and the fates the fighter pilots were unknown, Ming Pao said. The crash sites were sealed off by Chinese military police, and officials of Nanjin County near Longshan declined to comment, the newspaper said.

Ming Pao couldn't identify the fighter types involved in the crash. The Chinese military in November grounded its entire fleet of 99 Su-30 fighter jets after one cash-landed in eastern China's Anhui province.

To contact the reporter on this story: Eugene Tang in Beijing on [email protected]

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US told to increase nuclear arsenal as China threat looms
The US must increase its nuclear arsenal in response to China's growing military might, according to a State Department report.


By Malcolm Moore in Shanghai
Last Updated: 7:47PM BST 09 Oct 2008
US told to increase nuclear arsenal as China threat looms
The report said the US had allowed its nuclear stockpile to 'deteriorate' Photo: AP

The International Security and Advisory Board (Isab), which reports to Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, warned that "holding the US homeland hostage to missile attack is important to Chinese military goals".

It claimed that China will have "in excess of 100 nuclear-armed missiles that could strike the United States" by 2015.

By contrast, it said the US had allowed its nuclear stockpile and expertise to "deteriorate and atrophy across the board" for the last two decades.

The ISAB is chaired by Paul Wolfowitz, the former World Bank president who was often referred to as the "major architect" of the war in Iraq while he was deputy defence secretary.

Mr Wolfowitz was appointed by Miss Rice last year. Other hawkish members of the Isab are Robert Joseph, the former undersecretary for arms control and international security affairs, and James Schlesinger, the former defence secretary. Executives from arms companies such as Lockheed Martin and Boeing also sit on the board.

The ISAB was asked to draft a report on how the US could bring its relationship with China "towards greater transparency and mutual confidence".

Hans M Kristensen, a director at the Federation of American Scientists, an anti-nuclear think tank in Washington, said that instead the report "appears to have drawn up a very effective plan for a Cold War with China".

He added: "The authors land on a set of recommendations and observations that strongly resemble a China-version of the Reagan administration's aggressive military posture against the Soviet Union." Mr Kristensen also called on Miss Rice to disown the Isab's conclusions.

The ten-page report, which was leaked onto the internet, seems to justify a decision by the US to sell $6.5 billion (£3.6 billion) of arms to Taiwan, a move that has infuriated China and led it to cut several high-level military ties with the US. Mr Wolfowitz is also chairman of the US-Taiwan Business Council.

The report suggests that a conflict between the US and China could be triggered by the issue of Taiwan's sovereignty and claims China will invade the island in the near future. "If China is to become a global power, the first step must include control [of Taiwan]," it states.

It adds that there has been a "substantial expansion" of China's nuclear arsenal in order to force America to "back away rather than fight". The report claims China has "new thermonuclear warheads as well as tactical arms, encompassing enhanced radiation weapons, nuclear artillery, and anti-ship weapons". Current US intelligence reports paint a less dramatic picture and there is no evidence of a tactical nuclear arsenal.

It also claims that "Chinese espionage in the United States is comprehensive and pervasive" and that there is no point in trying to shape Chinese policy by "educating" the Chinese. Instead, the US must build a new missile shield and "undertake the development of new weapons [...] to convince China that it will not be able to overcome the US militarily."

China's military build-up has also unsettled Japan, after a series of large-scale spending increases. The defence budget rose by 17.8 per cent in 2007 and then by 27 per cent in 2008 to £35.4 billion.

The Chinese ambassador to the US, Zhou Wenzhong, has urged America to stop selling weapons to Taiwan and to recognise China's authority over the island.

"The US has made a very serious commitment to China as far as the question of Taiwan is concerned," he said, referring to a joint communique inked in August that states the US will reduce its arms sales to the island.

"Obviously that is not happening. We hope the US will honour its commitment by not just words but action".
 
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