JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Delbert

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If you think Russians are paranoid about the J-11s right now, wait until FC-1s start showing up in Venezuela.

Why are they paranoid about J-11's?

I am also wondering why China, still doesn't start mass producing the aircraft. Since this aircraft can be a good replacement for the older J-7 versions.
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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The Chinese are patient their will anaylse it thoroughly before mass producing. The trend the tend to keep is will its benefits really far out way its cost??? Meaning is it really worth replacing J-7 with JF-17??? As the J-7 is a superb nasty dog fighter.

"Personally" I wouldnt produce too many as the fighter wont lost long and up to the scratch with future conflicts for PLAAF. You dont want to sit on a design that is alright now but couple years it wont be. Its a good defence fighter but I rather stick with J-10 and J-11 as frontline fighters.
 

Diving Falcon

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Thank You both ... and all are confirmed ??

That would make alltogether:

250 for Pakistan
12 for Zimbabwe
?? for Azerbaijan and
?? for Sudan

Deino
Not sure about Zimbabwe, but Azerbaijan and Sudan at least showed some interest. Wait till November for the Pakistani IDEAS 2008 defence show, we'll get more details about JF-17's first export customers.
 

Indianfighter

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Even SU-30 in its native country RUSSIA, has only nine air crafts. But we can see, it is successful in exports. It doesn't matter how many you operates, its the capability of the aircraft that shows it worthiness.
No Russia actually operates 449 Su-27s. IAF wouldn't have purchased the Su-30, if Russia itself wouldn't have had it in numbers.

Similarly if PLAAF shows a lack of interest in the FC-1, then potential customers could see it as a rejection and hence as a below standard aircraft. Here we must remember that nowadays even small world Air-Forces like Nigeria, Belarus, Angola and Venezuela also prefer no less than Su-27.

So the FC-1 should appear as an attractive proposition to them once PLAAF shows interest.
 

optionsss

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I think the export future depends on the competition it faces.

Consider this: MIG-29 was push out of the way by the Su-27 because it was pitted head to head against Su-27 and lost. The track record it had during the previous war also did not help. So here is an airplane that was adopted by the country produces them, but export hit walls after Su-27 become available.

F-20 was not adopted by the USAF and most country chooses the F-16, a similar but obviously much better aircraft. I am sure if F-16 was not available most would just stick with F-20.

So, I don't think the export future of FC-1 depends on whether PLAF with purchase them or not. If I remembered correctly, CAC does not even have a plant to produce them. Also, the market niche for FC-1 is quite unique, because there aren't a lot of BVR capable planes will be offered at its price range, but there are a lot of old J-7 needs to be replaced.

Pakistan will have over 200 of this aircraft, and they will constantly upgrade it.
 

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it looks like plaaf will buy jf-17 in some form, whether as a cheap fighter, a twin-seated trainer or a ground attack plane. It's really benefiting from the fact L-15 is taking so long to get developed.
 

PrOeLiTeZ

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No Russia actually operates 449 Su-27s. IAF wouldn't have purchased the Su-30, if Russia itself wouldn't have had it in numbers.

Similarly if PLAAF shows a lack of interest in the FC-1, then potential customers could see it as a rejection and hence as a below standard aircraft. Here we must remember that nowadays even small world Air-Forces like Nigeria, Belarus, Angola and Venezuela also prefer no less than Su-27.

So the FC-1 should appear as an attractive proposition to them once PLAAF shows interest.
Well JF-17 facing competition against Su-27 isn't really an issue since these two fighters are in different weightclass. Countries want nothing less then Su-27 is not valid.

Su-27 is still and expensive fighter for the small budget country, though the JF-17 cost less, maintanence less, single engine, capable of BVR, light fighter, room for additional avionics.

Russia had Su-27 but had small squadron of Su-30, though export Su-30 were larger then domestic acquirment of Su-30. So it doesn't really put a negative image.
 

Indianfighter

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Well JF-17 facing competition against Su-27 isn't really an issue since these two fighters are in different weightclass. Countries want nothing less then Su-27 is not valid.

Su-27 is still and expensive fighter for the small budget country, though the JF-17 cost less, maintanence less, single engine, capable of BVR, light fighter, room for additional avionics.
I'm not saying that JF-17 faces competition from larger twin-engine Su-27/30, but rather that as even small air-forces (like Angola) demand no less than Su-27 or MiG-29 nowadays, they'll have apprehensions over aircraft that are not inducted in their home country.
 

Diving Falcon

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I'm not saying that JF-17 faces competition from larger twin-engine Su-27/30, but rather that as even small air-forces (like Angola) demand no less than Su-27 or MiG-29 nowadays, they'll have apprehensions over aircraft that are not inducted in their home country.
I think JF-17 would compete well with MiG-29, especially if the former shows better maintenance/serviceability. With SU-27 operators, it might be a good supplementary fighter if those AFs intend to use a Hi/Lo mix...same applies to MiG-29.
 

Londo Molari

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I think JF-17 has no competition at the moment. JF-17's biggest selling point is its price. It offers fairly modern capabilities, for $15-20 million per aircraft. No other aircraft can even come close to offering that value. All the poor countries will give it serious consideration.

Marketing it to countries who can afford F-16s, Gripens and other light 4th gen fighters will be tougher, and will depend on how the JF-17 performs with the PAF, and how successful it is at adapting to French and other upgrades.

No Russia actually operates 449 Su-27s. IAF wouldn't have purchased the Su-30, if Russia itself wouldn't have had it in numbers.
Russia and India have both claimed multiple times that the Su-30 is a completely different aircraft than the Su-27.

So if you don't count Russia's original old Su-27 flankers, then Russia has barely 10 Su-30s in service.
 
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