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Sargon

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And yet somehow, the VTOL F-35 prefers to use the Forger's as a model for its VTOL system rather than the Harrier's.

I think you're refering to the Yak-141 (Freestyle) a supersonic extension of the forger. Intended to be the first supersonic VTOL aircraft, the freestyle was rumored to be a reference for the F-35. The airframe have a slightly similar appearance.

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Tasman

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Just goes to reinforce points we've made earlier in this thread about the quality of the crew training and their ability to react in emergencies being as important if not more so than 'paper' characteristics like speed, size of ship, air wing, armament etc.

Well done the crew of the George Washington!

I think this was a splendid example of excellent damage control. The crew of USS George Washington deserve commendation for reacting to the situation in such a courageous and professional manner and the USN deserves praise for giving damage control training and equipment the priority it deserves.

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bd popeye

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Finally some news about the cause of the fire on the "GW". I would not wanna be the CO or XO. Or the Div officer, LCPO or LPO of the divison responsible for the space that started this fire. All shipmates know that heads will roll. More than one I can assure you....



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Improperly stored materials blamed in carrier fire.

Navy urges caution after blaze on ship

By Steve Liewer
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

June 6, 2008

CORONADO CA – Flammable materials stowed improperly on the aircraft carrier George Washington worsened a fire that caused minor injuries to 24 sailors last month, Navy officials said this week.

The fire broke out May 22 in an auxiliary boiler room as the ship traveled off the western coast of South America, said Cmdr. Jeff Davis, a Navy spokesman. The vessel was en route from Norfolk, Va., to Yokosuka, Japan, where it was scheduled to replace the Kitty Hawk this month as the Navy's only overseas-based carrier.

After the fire was extinguished, the George Washington continued its scheduled course to Coronado and is docked at North Island Naval Air Station. Teams of investigators from Norfolk and Bremerton, Wash., have been inspecting the scorched boiler room and adjacent spaces, Davis said.

There has been no announcement of how much the repairs will cost or how long they will take.

The blaze prompted the Naval Sea Systems Command to circulate a memo cautioning sailors to store flammable and combustible materials correctly.

That advisory didn't specify which types of materials contributed to the fire, but it asked sailors to be careful in storing aerosols, lubricants and fluids. Davis said no new rules are being adopted because of the George Washington blaze.

“We're asking the ships to verify that they're following existing regulation,” he said.

The fire has created other ripple effects for the Navy's Pacific Fleet.

The George Washington and the Kitty Hawk had been scheduled to hold a handoff ceremony Sunday at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. That has been postponed indefinitely, said Lt. Cmdr. Charlie Brown, a spokesman for the San Diego-based Naval Air Forces command.

The Kitty Hawk left Yokosuka permanently last week and is operating near Guam, Brown said.
 

bd popeye

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Some very recent pics of the Italian Navy ITS San Marco and ITS San Giorgio in port in Venice Italy.

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bd popeye

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HOT from navy.mil..PIX of the fire damage on the USS George Washington...I will post more pics as they become available.

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SAN DIEGO (May 31, 2008) A fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) caused damage to the Air Conditioning and Refrigeration shop. George Washington is in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire on May 22. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Phillip Pavlovich (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 25, 2008) A fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington damaged electrical equipment in a space near the ventilation trunk for the auxiliary boiler. George Washington is in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following the at sea fire on May 22, 2008. U.S. Navy photo (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 25, 2008) A fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) caused cable damage in a shipboard training classroom. George Washington is in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire on May 22. U.S. Navy photo (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 29, 2008) A fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) damaged cables near the exhaust and supply ventilation trunk for the auxiliary boiler. George Washington is in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire on May 22. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Ted Green (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 29, 2008) Mr. Bret Haskins assess fire damage aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73). George Washington is currently in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire May 22, 2008. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Phillip Pavlovich (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 29, 2008) Mr. Curtis Wiles assess damage aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73). George Washington is currently in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire May 22, 2008. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Phillip Pavlovich (Released)

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SAN DIEGO (May 29, 2008) Mr. Micheal Brown conducts an assessment of the fiber optic cable plan aboard the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73). George Washington is currently in San Diego for damage assessment and repairs following an at sea fire May 22, 2008. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist Seaman Phillip Pavlovich (Released)



 

ccL1

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Submarine Aircraft Carriers

I was just reading about Imperial Japan's (WWII) Sentoku submarine aircraft carriers, and I was wondering if they were viable for China's navy anytime soon or at all?

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The main problem I see would be maintaining stealth on such a huge submarine, but I'm sure that can be minimized? Or am I totally wrong?

I mean, it wouldn't have to carry the same amount of aircraft as a modern aircraft carrier would, but even trying to fit one plane would be quite an engineering fleet.

Any thoughts on this or is this just a pipe dream?
 

crobato

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Re: Submarine Aircraft Carriers

More than a pipe dream I would think such a ship is a nightmare. There won't be any place in China to put it either.
 

bd popeye

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After reading this story below I feel the damage to CVN-73 due the the fire on 22 May 2008 was more extensive than I & others first thought. Why?? The turnover of CV-63 and CVN-73 will now take place in San Diego vice Pearl Harbor. The turnover will not take place until August...August?? Perhaps my Navy is not revealing the whole story about this major fire. I'd sure like to know the whole story.:confused:

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USS Kitty Hawk, USS George Washington to Conduct Turnover in San Diego

Story Number: NNS080619-02
Release Date: 6/19/2008 7:05:00 AM

From Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet Public Affairs

PEARL HARBOR (NNS) -- The USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) and USS George Washington (CVN 73) turnover originally planned for early June in Pearl Harbor will now take place in San Diego in August as a result of the fire that occurred aboard George Washington on May 22.

Kitty Hawk will then proceed to Bremerton, Wash., to complete her decommissioning on schedule. George Washington's schedule has not yet been determined.

The Chief of Naval Operations has directed a Manual of the Judge Advocate General investigation headed by the Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet, headquartered in Pearl Harbor, to determine the cause of the fire. Additionally, the Navy is conducting a Safety Investigation Board by the Naval Safety Center, Norfolk. The Navy is accumulating lessons learned on this incident to be shared with the fleet.

The U.S. Navy assessment of the mechanical, electrical, electronic and structural systems affected by the May 22 fire aboard George Washington is substantially complete. Damage to George Washington is primarily electrical in nature with limited structural and mechanical associated damage. Fire and heat affected electrical cabling and components in approximately 80 spaces of the more than 3,800 spaces on George Washington.

The repair work is being performed by U.S. Navy Shipyards and by private-sector shipyards in the San Diego area. An estimated completion date, as well as an estimated timeframe for George Washington's arrival in Japan, has yet to be determined.

The Navy is working with crewmembers from USS Kitty Hawk and USS George Washington and their families to minimize the impact of these events. This is the Pacific Fleet's top personnel priority.
 

Norfolk

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After reading this story below I feel the damage to CVN-73 due the the fire on 22 May 2008 was more extensive than I & others first thought. Why?? The turnover of CV-63 and CVN-73 will now take place in San Diego vice Pearl Harbor. The turnover will not take place until August...August?? Perhaps my Navy is not revealing the whole story about this major fire. I'd sure like to know the whole story.:confused:

I would prefer to think that either something was affected by the fire that for security reasons cannot be disclosed in detail, or that the shipyards and contractors in the San Diego area are simply not able to perform repairs in the preferred time frame - for whatever reason.

That said, it is unsettling to contemplate the possibility that perhaps something else is not quite right.:confused::(
 
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