The T-34 tank

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LostWraith

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Gollevainen said:
Well T-34, or Sotka (duck) as we called it was one of the main prized things among soviet inventory that our own history writing credits. Not only that it was simple and robust (wich made its manufacturing and usage simple) it was highly effective and its appeareance in the 1941 was fierc suprise to the germans. If the Soviet leadership would have been in the shape when the Barbaroza begun, The vast force of T-34s and another forgotten one, the Kv-1 would have propaply turned the history around if Soviets would have took all the advantage of them in full use.
In 1941 it was far superior to anything anyone had and after Panther and Tiger appeared, they managed to turn it (T-34/85) to a more than a match for these desing and surprass anything that western allies managed to come up.

No doupt that T-34 deserves number one position in chart of tanks of all ages. I agree that these american channels with their western bias are even worse than some of old Communist age propaganda about their equipment. Its not suprise at all that you can find more baseless discrimination, underminding and neglect of facts in western military publications than from older soviet and current russian ones. The eastern side atleast aknowlidges the great western and even Facist desings, but somehow that seems to be near impposibility to certain american issues.
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True that I honestly feel today the Western media hold a similar view to Russia and China as the Nazis did in 1930, as subhumans incapable to producing technologically advanced equipment and forced to use senseless masses of flesh and crude equipment to achieve its goals.

Times never change.
 
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Soviet General

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i recomend the military channel we of the SOVIET UNION can make good stuff screw you Abrams, but i do like the French Leckerc and the German Bundeswehr Leopard M1A2 and the M1A1,hmmmmm.
 
Finn McCool

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On the subject of "Western bias" I saw a show on either the History or military channel, which are both quite flag-waving, pro-American affairs, and it gave the T-34 the #1 spot over all other tanks. So it's greatness is recognized even here. The T-34 is the greatest simply because it won the quintessential tank battles of the Eastern Front-Moscow, Operation Saturn, Kursk, Bagration, and all the others. Really you could think of it as all one battle, because not a day went by when somewhere along the line T-34s killed and were killed.
 
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LostWraith

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Finn McCool said:
On the subject of "Western bias" I saw a show on either the History or military channel, which are both quite flag-waving, pro-American affairs, and it gave the T-34 the #1 spot over all other tanks. So it's greatness is recognized even here. The T-34 is the greatest simply because it won the quintessential tank battles of the Eastern Front-Moscow, Operation Saturn, Kursk, Bagration, and all the others. Really you could think of it as all one battle, because not a day went by when somewhere along the line T-34s killed and were killed.
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I'm only speaking of the general attitude of the people. Certainly military experts know that T-34 was a great tank in the same way that most of German high command was shocked or at least impressed by the T-34. However, this doesn't mean that most people don't think that the USSR and China are incapable of quality.
 
crobato

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Finn McCool said:
On the subject of "Western bias" I saw a show on either the History or military channel, which are both quite flag-waving, pro-American affairs, and it gave the T-34 the #1 spot over all other tanks. So it's greatness is recognized even here. The T-34 is the greatest simply because it won the quintessential tank battles of the Eastern Front-Moscow, Operation Saturn, Kursk, Bagration, and all the others. Really you could think of it as all one battle, because not a day went by when somewhere along the line T-34s killed and were killed.
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I think I know this program you are referring to, but I never remembered it being shown in History Channel. I don't know about the Military Channel but I distinctly remember watching the program in Discovery Channel, which has a much more global outlook (yeah they showed a program on China's "Kung Fu Idol" series---kind of a take on American Idol but on Kung Fu skills). At least I know that's the program where the T-34 got the top spot. I remembered a similar program in the History Channel but the T-34 only got the 3rd; the Leopard took the honors, and the Abrams the second I think.

Lately, the History Channel has become more of the Monster-UFO-EndoftheWorld Channel, looking at the contents and which programs are getting the better ratings.
 
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wdl1976

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Talking about Soviet WW2 tanks.

How about the IS series tank, heard they are on par with the Panzer V and VI. But since 34's are doing the job and a lot cheaper to make. It only made to the battle field in small numbers.

Also I think T34 is the pioneer of the sloped armour, hence P5 and 6 adopts the sloped armour.

Further to that PIV (or was it PIII) was not a German original it was of Polish or Czech design.

The allies tank were pretty much useless, Shermans are pretty useless in a tank to tank battle, the American should be thankful that the Germans has no fuel.
 
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Soviet General

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LostWraith said:
I'm only speaking of the general attitude of the people. Certainly military experts know that T-34 was a great tank in the same way that most of German high command was shocked or at least impressed by the T-34. However, this doesn't mean that most people don't think that the USSR and China are incapable of quality.
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im right here comrad but good point,but i dont know about china though.
 
Gollevainen

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Now Soviet General, before you post any further replies to any thread in this forum, read the forum rules and get familiarized to our posting code of conduct.

Stop posting irrelevant imature oneliner replies which do not contribute to the forum in any way.

You have been warned, next time I have to moderate you, one week ban will follow.

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peperez

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wdl1976 said:
Also I think T34 is the pioneer of the sloped armour, hence P5 and 6 adopts the sloped armour.
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No, the Swedish did the pioneer work at sloped armor.
wdl1976 said:
Further to that PIV (or was it PIII) was not a German original it was of Polish or Czech design.
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Wrong again. The Czech tanks used by Wermarcht were PzKw35T and PzKw38T. PzKwIII and IV were German designs, by Daimler-Benz and Krupp, respectivelly.

Pepe

PS: T-34 was a fantastic tank but has a serious defect in its original form: a small turret. One can imagine how good could be a mix of soviet engine, guns and mechanical parts with an American gearbox and the Sherman stabilized turret in a modified T-34 wider hull. There's a good paper here:

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The American prefered KV-1 cause it had torsion bar suspension and a better overall finishing.
 
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