AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I found this pic of a model of a supposed Chinese Destroyer. I hope there are better pics out there if anyone can post them.
Last edited:
Future Chinese Missile Destroyer?
- Thread starter AssassinsMace
- Start date
Could be anything from Visby size corvette to destroyer...But I'm sure interesting to see the full image of this model and knowing where the model comes from.
4... but what does that prove? Chinese destroyers, even very large ones like 052C/ 052Cs have 8 AShMs only. I don't think we've seen enough of the hull to deduce its length or size of missiles.
Also, would be hoping future Chinese destroyer fields a multi-missile type capable VLS... but that is probably beyond capabilities for the moment.
Well actually aside 052C and 051C, most of the chinese DDGs have 16 missiles. But the number of SSMs is hardly the factor which determines wheter one ship is either frigate or destroyer. For example the standart numbers of SSMs onboard western ships seems to be 8 wheter its a missile FAC or cruiser or anything between.
Tough chinese have used 16 missiles per DDGs earlier, there are serious factors which speaks against them in this sort of arragment as seen in the model.
Reason why chinese ships have 16 missiles is becouse there is room for them. All chinese destroyers are despite their modern hull lines, from layout point of view rather conventional. In otherwords all have the superstructures arranged in the ways as old WWII era destroyers (adopting this from Luda) where the were caps between the superstructures to hold heavy torbedobanks...and before you start yelling "there goes golly again bashing chinese ships", remember I'm talking simply about layouts, which has nothing to do with capabilities.
Now altough the shipdesigns have envolved in china, the layout has remained somewhat similar with 052s and in 051B/C classes. As there is no longer torbedoes (or the tripple SSM launchers that substituted torpedoes in the Ludas) there is quite alot of room relatively low in the top-weight point of view. This gives the designs ability to incorporate far more SSMs than in somewhat more modern (layout point of view) DDGs.
But this new model reperesents bit different type of thinking. Actually its leap of generations ahead in the layout thinking. The most modern warships nowadays tend to have large superstructures continuing smoothly from the hull and taking about 2/3 of the whole ship lenght. In this type of layout there is no longer any room for larger caps to field large ammount of SSMs. Couped with the fact that the caps needs to be wrapped inside the superstructual covering, the room for tradditional SSMs is even smaller. And on the top of all, the chinese SSMs, YJ83 and YJ63 are larger and more volume intensive than lets say Harpoons. So thus even if the model is DDG, it isen't any wonder that it carries only 8 SSMs but in countery it doesen't make it anyway inferior to any counterpory DDGs however.
VLS is ideal to any modern type of large warships but at the moment only Russian/Soviets have developted VLS SSMs. But thats due the fact that russians have been investing SSMs far greater efforts than western navies and china is just started its career in the modern militarypower league.
Tough chinese have used 16 missiles per DDGs earlier, there are serious factors which speaks against them in this sort of arragment as seen in the model.
Reason why chinese ships have 16 missiles is becouse there is room for them. All chinese destroyers are despite their modern hull lines, from layout point of view rather conventional. In otherwords all have the superstructures arranged in the ways as old WWII era destroyers (adopting this from Luda) where the were caps between the superstructures to hold heavy torbedobanks...and before you start yelling "there goes golly again bashing chinese ships", remember I'm talking simply about layouts, which has nothing to do with capabilities.
Now altough the shipdesigns have envolved in china, the layout has remained somewhat similar with 052s and in 051B/C classes. As there is no longer torbedoes (or the tripple SSM launchers that substituted torpedoes in the Ludas) there is quite alot of room relatively low in the top-weight point of view. This gives the designs ability to incorporate far more SSMs than in somewhat more modern (layout point of view) DDGs.
But this new model reperesents bit different type of thinking. Actually its leap of generations ahead in the layout thinking. The most modern warships nowadays tend to have large superstructures continuing smoothly from the hull and taking about 2/3 of the whole ship lenght. In this type of layout there is no longer any room for larger caps to field large ammount of SSMs. Couped with the fact that the caps needs to be wrapped inside the superstructual covering, the room for tradditional SSMs is even smaller. And on the top of all, the chinese SSMs, YJ83 and YJ63 are larger and more volume intensive than lets say Harpoons. So thus even if the model is DDG, it isen't any wonder that it carries only 8 SSMs but in countery it doesen't make it anyway inferior to any counterpory DDGs however.
VLS is ideal to any modern type of large warships but at the moment only Russian/Soviets have developted VLS SSMs. But thats due the fact that russians have been investing SSMs far greater efforts than western navies and china is just started its career in the modern militarypower league.
it look like what taiwan want to do with it's frigate. i feel it could be PLAN version of the remodelling plan for existing frigate/destroyers. i actually don't like this as it destroy the stealthy surfaces. a retractable roof (opening like a F22 missile bay) is preferred, that a side opening which is more visible to radar.
Not to disagree with your conclusions, Golly... according to our own Sinodefence site, 051C and 052C both only having 8 AShMs
But otherwise, yes, it would be a significant interesting improvement in design generation... let's hope it's not a 'generation leap'.
Assuming first that this is not a hoax made with a Visby plastic model, I would say the size of the YJ-83s and being situated across and staggered like that means there is substantial width on the hull that would not suggest a small corvette, but at least a frigate or a destroyer.
I go agree with your points. The last four destroyers made in China only had 8 antiship missiles.
Not to disagree with your conclusions, Golly... according to our own Sinodefence site, 051C and 052C both only having 8 AShMs
?? Didn't i just say that? Of chinese destroyer which carries the YJ8 series missiles, the modernised Ludas, Luhus, Luhai and 052B class all carries 16 of them, only the 051C and 052C carries eight but thats due the fact that altough both of those designs are derivation of the "16 missiles ships", additional system fits prevents the extra octople of missiles.
Well actually I'm exact opposite to that conclusion. The missiles are side-by-side if looked from the bow to stern which indicates that the width of the deck that they are fitted is not wide enough to field them in any other means (like harpoons in Kidd class for example). Also the missile launchers are near to the walls of the superstructure which most likely is continuing from the hull as in most modern stealthships...full width.
One part that bothers me is also the angle and size of the missilelaunchers. The angle is quite small and the lenght of the missiles thereby doesen't seem to be right for Yj83 (they are longer than counterpory western SSMs). I'm more and more convinced that this is indeed a model of Visby tagged once again as the "newest chinese XXXX". Apparently the hoaxers have now moved from the newest russian stuff to swedish stuff...Man this phenomenal is a plague in the chinese military forums...
..We don't get fooled again:nono:
?? Didn't i just say that? Of chinese destroyer which carries the YJ8 series missiles, the modernised Ludas, Luhus, Luhai and 052B class all carries 16 of them, only the 051C and 052C carries eight but thats due the fact that altough both of those designs are derivation of the "16 missiles ships", additional system fits prevents the extra octople of missiles.
Well actually I'm exact opposite to that conclusion. The missiles are side-by-side if looked from the bow to stern which indicates that the width of the deck that they are fitted is not wide enough to field them in any other means (like harpoons in Kidd class for example). Also the missile launchers are near to the walls of the superstructure which most likely is continuing from the hull as in most modern stealthships...full width.
One part that bothers me is also the angle and size of the missilelaunchers. The angle is quite small and the lenght of the missiles thereby doesen't seem to be right for Yj83 (they are longer than counterpory western SSMs). I'm more and more convinced that this is indeed a model of Visby tagged once again as the "newest chinese XXXX". Apparently the hoaxers have now moved from the newest russian stuff to swedish stuff...Man this phenomenal is a plague in the chinese military forums...
..We don't get fooled again:nono: