Chinas best dynastic military?

China's most glourious military in dynasties


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cliveersknell

New Member
Sorry gentlemen,
I still think the Yuan, they expanded china's military beyond it's borders.
Just returned from Wiener Neustadt in Austria, there are mongol armor
and helmets as well as Paize in desplay at an interesting museum.
The mongols went this far.
Seems PRC is using the Yuan as it's model for development.
Visit chengjisihan.com.cn and you will know what I am talking about.
r's
Clive
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
Sorry gentlemen,
I still think the Yuan, they expanded china's military beyond it's borders.
Just returned from Wiener Neustadt in Austria, there are mongol armor
and helmets as well as Paize in desplay at an interesting museum.
The mongols went this far.
Seems PRC is using the Yuan as it's model for development.
Visit chengjisihan.com.cn and you will know what I am talking about.
r's
Clive

The Yuan is just one group of Mongols. I think the problem they have for "best military dynasty" is being very short lived compared to other dynasties.
 

maozedong

Banned Idiot
since many people do not like the Yuan Dynasty and the Mongol, Ming Dynasty may wish to consider it a strong force, and vast territory, not be comparable to the Han Dynasty and the Tang Dynasty.
Following is the description of the Korean newspaper Ming Dynasty Zheng He's 7th fleet voyage:

South Korea, "North Korea Weekly" reported that: Zheng He voyage display the spirit of the core of China's diplomacy

After 600 years of ups and downs, when it was re-mainland China, "Zheng He" Tornado.

This year is the "Zheng He" 600 anniversary, but also rely on when China is rapidly increasing national strength, further carry forward the spirit of the Chinese nation in the new period. To commemorate Zheng He's achievements, China will be on July 11 as a "Maritime Day," and carried out various activities.

Western started long time ago Zheng concern: in the United States, "Life" magazine organized by the Millennium contribute to the world's 100 poll figures, Zheng No. 14, ranking first in the East; by the end of December 1999, "New York Times "Millennium special planning, have chosen to Zheng a symbol of East-West cultural exchange.

According to records, Zheng He and his fleet size of the huge world beyond imagination. At that time, the history books described the success: more than 200 vessels in the sea followed by rows at the cover of the sea, sea levels almost endless line. From 1405 to 1433 of 28, Zheng He was a 7th fleet voyage, the range of 185,000 km, equivalent to four laps around the world. Zheng He and his fleet one of the greatest masters 151 meters, 61 meters wide, with the similar size of football pitches, in the three Maritime Navigation, and when Columbus discovered the New World, led by the fleet but only three boats, 120 crew members, most Only one of the 23 meters.

Zheng He and his fleet loaded with silk, porcelain and other goods, via Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines and India, more than 30 countries have brought Chinese culture and science and technology. So far, in Asia and along the coast of Africa in some countries still retains many of the Zheng He and Maritime relics.

With the hope that the establishment of a colony in the New World, the economic benefits Portugal, Spain and other Western countries, China voyage is to promote the Chinese ideology, add more Tributary States. However, even if Zheng He expedition is for political purposes, but to consolidate his voyage from West Asia to East Africa sea trade routes, and annihilated a piracy, the Chinese control from the South China Sea to the eastern African maritime "Silk Road."

Zheng He and Maritime human marine science and technology to a new stage of development for China's entry into the Southeast Asian region provides an opportunity. It can be said that since Zheng He was formally a maritime history of overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia. Zheng He and the diplomatic missions of various countries to China and promote exchanges between the countries.

Zheng He died, abandoned the Ming Dynasty ocean lines, marine empire will be in a position to lose out. Renowned American scholar Paul Kennedy in "the rise and fall of great powers", a book commented that as the Ming Dynasty attention from overseas will be recovered, world hegemony was delivered Europe, which is to lead to the core of Chinese civilization, the main reason for the decline in the East.

China to such a high-level evaluation of Zheng He, his command at that time the world's most powerful fleet, but not an inch of the occupied territories of other countries, instead of treating other countries, which today China's foreign policy of peace and development are the same. In other words, Zheng and
display the core of China's foreign policy spirit.
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zhouij

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Registered Member
Ok wth is "North Korea Weekly"? I didn't get any info on it when I google the name.
 

maozedong

Banned Idiot
Ok wth is "North Korea Weekly"? I didn't get any info on it when I google the name.

yes,it's hard to find info after one day.so many so many sit about ZhengHe voyage.I think is"朝鲜"weekly,just leave this,so many other sit for ZhengHe,if you read chinese:
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so many so many sit.in my last post I just in a casual select one from them.
this is real history.
 

cliveersknell

New Member
Hi Folks
I still disagree with you all on this.
1. If you look at the map of all china's dynasties, yuan is most xtensive.
2. Yuan and Qing clearly define the borders of present day PRC.
3. The mongol army was the most formidable in the whole world in the 13-14th century.
4. Even though the yuan was short lived, it had a strong alloying effect
on china, after the yuan, china never broke up into smaller petty states
anymore.
comparing the yuan with other dynasties is like comparing the Me262 with
conventional piston engined aircraft of the allies, true, this jet
was short lived in WWII, but it had a great effect on later aircraft development.
r's
clive
 

crobato

Colonel
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Actually it is the Qing under Emperor Qian Long that is the most extensive. But the problem of the Qing is that pretty much the last 100 years of their dynasty they were getting humiliated and kicked in by different foreign powers, leading to the most humiliating periods of Chinese history.

Just because there are land under some other Mongol khan does not mean that land is the Yuan's. The Yuan and other Mongol Khans are in fact rivals, and even fight each other sometimes. Well actually, a lot.

The Yuan didn't get very far fighting the Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, Burmese, etc,.

And once again, they have a very short period for a dynasty, defeated by a native revolt. That's why a lot of people don't feel its as "glorious".

Although Marco Polo and the Kublai Khan will probably be among the most famous personages in Chinese history especially to people who don't have a deep knowledge of Chinese history.
 

cliveersknell

New Member
If you want to focus on military prowess, the yuan has it all.
The vietnamese defeated the Yuan, emperor Tran Thui was the greatest
in Vietnam's history and a renowned poet and confucian. However, he still
decided to pay tribute to Khubilai at the end. He realized to have conflict with the Yuan dragon in the north would eventually lead to the
demise of his empire in the south.
The Qing dynasty was a legacy of the Mongol Yuan, the seal of the last
mongol emperor was presented to Hongtaiji. And Nurhaci organized the Qing
banners like the mongols.Nurhaci also instituited the mongol script as
lingua franca of the Qing, and the Qing intermarried with the mongols
who are of the lineage of Borjigin which is Genghis Khan's Kiyan tribe.
Best example is Xiaozhuang, grandma of Kangxi ( her mongol name is
Bumbuuta'i)
.
Today the PRC is glorifying the legacy of Genghis, go visit
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, see how much was put into this?
Did you see the Tv series on Genghis Khan from China, Mongolia acknowledged that these are the most accurate portrayal of Temujin to date. China is now making a series on Khubilai.
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clive
 
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