China's Navy "new" Hospital ship

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The PLAN doesn't have facilities now to accomodate casualties?

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The PLAN does? Show me which ship has comparable facilities?

What did they do before these ships?

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make do with less.

And if so many casualties do occur in a conflict with Taiwan as you say

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You think taking Taiwan will be a bloodless affair?

first, how would they transport them back to these ships from the battlefield under fire?

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Do you need to use my brain to think? Helicopters? Heard of them?

Second, would these ships be enough to handle all the casualties that will happen according to you?

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After critical operations or surgery has been conducted, the more stable cases can be helilifted back to the mainland. While no info has been provided on the PLAN hospital ships, yes, it is likely they can handle the casualty load. What is important is that the evac trip to medical treatment is short, and the rate of evac is high enough. A hospital ship near the coast does that.

What most likely happens if the PLAN does reach Taiwan is MASH type units will be established or medical facilities already on Taiwan will be used if possible.

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In an amphibious landing every piece of equipment brought ashore takes up scarce lift resources. It is also during the assault that most casualties takes place. MASH hospitals won't have time to be set up during the assault. Neither do they have the capacity. All one can hope for is rudimentary treatment if there is no Hospital ship nearby.

The US has their hospital ships in the Persian Gulf but not all the wounded go to those ships. There are other facilities and then they get flown to Germany... a much further distance than Taiwan to the mainland.

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That is after the wounded's situation have been stabilised. Another difference is, field hospitals have already been erected, so not all need to be diverted to the ship.

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AssassinsMace said:

I have a feeling the Taiwanese won't care because again those are PLA soldiers being nursed. And having the US on your side isn't a negative if the ship was targeted. I'm not contesting what you're saying. That's why I don't think these ships were constructed for and will be used for an invasion of Taiwan.

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A hospital ship is designed for the treatment of ALL casualties of war, be it friendly or enemy or civilian. Also, Red Cross officials may also be present onboard ship. You want to risk killing Taiwanese soldiers who were wounded and taken capture, plus Red Cross officials? That's going to spark a major international incident.

There is no way the Americans can justify a deliberate attack on a Red Cross approved hospital ship. From what we see in the pictures, the fact that she does have a Red Cross and is painted white means that the Chinese intend to register this ship with the Red Cross and therefore, give it protection under the Second Geneva Conventions.

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The PLAN does? Show me which ship has comparable facilities?

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So they don't have MASH units or medical facilities on board ship? Duh!

make do with less.

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I guess you need the answer above repeated to you so look above again.

You think taking Taiwan will be a bloodless affair?

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Never said such a thing and that's why you ignored the part about other medical facilities existing beside hospital ships. I'm sure you believe the PLAN has no such medical contingency.

Do you need to use my brain to think? Helicopters? Heard of them?

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And the Taiwanese won't attack anything flying in the air that isn't theirs? So now you contradict yourself saying China will have total air superiority over Taiwan. What happened to those massive casualties from that bugger called "war?"? Now who thinks it will be "bloodless?"

After critical operations or surgery has been conducted, the more stable cases can be helilifted back to the mainland. While no info has been provided on the PLAN hospital ships, yes, it is likely they can handle the casualty load. What is important is that the evac trip to medical treatment is short, and the rate of evac is high enough. A hospital ship near the coast does that.

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Noticed you ignored the part about not all US wounded in Iraq go through hospital ships? Most are stablized in facilities in Iraq and then get shipped to Germany. But then that would work against your argument so ignoring it is easier.

In an amphibious landing every piece of equipment brought ashore takes up scarce lift resources. It is also during the assault that most casualties takes place. MASH hospitals won't have time to be set up during the assault. Neither do they have the capacity. All one can hope for is rudimentary treatment if there is no Hospital ship nearby.

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And you think during the invasion of Iraq, those hospital ships were the only place for emergency medical care? There were many points where the wounded could be delivered.

That is after the wounded's situation have been stabilised. Another difference is, field hospitals have already been erected, so not all need to be diverted to the ship.

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So the wounded can be stablized in the field and sent to a MASH type unit? And you were arguing against that before? Make up your mind. Unless you want to argue the Chinese won't think of these things. Or it takes China to erect a field hospital as long as if they were building Cedar Sinai Hospital.

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Pointblank said:

A hospital ship is designed for the treatment of ALL casualties of war, be it friendly or enemy or civilian. Also, Red Cross officials may also be present onboard ship. You want to risk killing Taiwanese soldiers who were wounded and taken capture, plus Red Cross officials? That's going to spark a major international incident.

There is no way the Americans can justify a deliberate attack on a Red Cross approved hospital ship. From what we see in the pictures, the fact that she does have a Red Cross and is painted white means that the Chinese intend to register this ship with the Red Cross and therefore, give it protection under the Second Geneva Conventions.

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Which is why I don't think the prupose of constructing the hospital ship is for supporting an invasion of Taiwan or any other invasion.

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So they don't have MASH units or medical facilities on board ship? Duh!

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And they have facilities as comprehensive as the Hospital ships? Please answer that.

Never said such a thing and that's why you ignored the part about other medical facilities existing beside hospital ships. I'm sure you believe the PLAN has no such medical contingency.

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I asked you to provide evidences of where these other facilites existed. You purposely ignored answering because you know there isn't any Hospital ship equivalent which can do the same job.

And the Taiwanese won't attack anything flying in the air that isn't theirs? So now you contradict yourself saying China will have total air superiority over Taiwan. What happened to those massive casualties from that bugger called "war?"? Now who thinks it will be "bloodless?"

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Medivac helis will have the same Red Cross sign on them. Knowingly attacking any ship or vehicle with a Red Cross sign will make Taiwan lose international support or make any American support very hard to sustain.

Noticed you ignored the part about not all US wounded in Iraq go through hospital ships? Most are stablized in facilities in Iraq and then get shipped to Germany. But then that would work against your argument so ignoring it is easier.

And you think during the invasion of Iraq, those hospital ships were the only place for emergency medical care? There were many points where the wounded could be delivered.

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Are you so stupid everything has to be clearly spelt out? Much of Iraq is far away from the hospital ship, in that case flying to the hospital ship would be counter productive. And unlike an amphibious landing scenario, the US has already been in iraq long enough to establish the proper medical facilities. Please use your head to think instead of mine every once in a while. Or aree you simply unable to think?

So the wounded can be stablized in the field and sent to a MASH type unit? And you were arguing against that before? Make up your mind. Unless you want to argue the Chinese won't think of these things. Or it takes China to erect a field hospital as long as if they were building Cedar Sinai Hospital.

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Again, you need me to do the thinking. Rate of casualty is much less in Iraq, and the distances then were different. I never said MASH couldn't do the job of handling a few casualties. I said they wouldn't have the time/lift to set one up when it is needed most, and it wouldn't be comprehensive enough to handle the casualty rate.

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CN building it should be for UN action

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Kongo said:

And they have facilities as comprehensive as the Hospital ships? Please answer that.



I asked you to provide evidences of where these other facilites existed. You purposely ignored answering because you know there isn't any Hospital ship equivalent which can do the same job.



Medivac helis will have the same Red Cross sign on them. Knowingly attacking any ship or vehicle with a Red Cross sign will make Taiwan lose international support or make any American support very hard to sustain.



Are you so stupid everything has to be clearly spelt out? Much of Iraq is far away from the hospital ship, in that case flying to the hospital ship would be counter productive. And unlike an amphibious landing scenario, the US has already been in iraq long enough to establish the proper medical facilities. Please use your head to think instead of mine every once in a while. Or aree you simply unable to think?




Again, you need me to do the thinking. Rate of casualty is much less in Iraq, and the distances then were different. I never said MASH couldn't do the job of handling a few casualties. I said they wouldn't have the time/lift to set one up when it is needed most, and it wouldn't be comprehensive enough to handle the casualty rate.

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And you seem to conveniently forget that most likely those ships can't handle the number casulties in a conflict with Taiwan. How many beds do you think are on those ships. How many wounded can their emergency facilities handle at a time? So are they just going to pile up the bodies and watse time when they can be flown or shipped back before they get help on the ship. So where will the casualties go? Like I said from the beginning.. to the mainland. You think as if they can't get there. US wounded fly just a long a distance. Do you think US hospital ships at the beginning of the war were anchored off shore of Iraq when Iraqis were still firing off missiles. Make up your mind about how many casulties are going to happen. You even said there will be a lot of casualties. Those ships will not be able to handle as many casualties as you claim from the beginning so why would China make them for the only purpose of an invasion of Taiwan like you claim?

So again my argument stands that these ships were not constructed to invade Taiwan which you seem to wish for in your paranoid dreams. Your argument if you can remember was that they were made for the only purpose of invading Taiwan.

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OK, Assasinmace and Kongo I give you final instruction to avoid any futher offtopic ranting or political penis contest. This thread is about ships and naval matters, and it can be done without usuall china/taiwan rumbass.
I Have to interfere once more into either one of you, I will issue warnings.:nono:

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Ehm, if this is based on the Type 71, then where is the docking well? Looks more the Space Surveilliance Ships from the 1970s to me. Before this, there was the Qiongsha, but that had no helipad.

And it makes sense too: Type 71s just came online. Why on Earth would they waste them on these roles when its primary role has not been filled?

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sumdud said:

Ehm, if this is based on the Type 71, then where is the docking well? Looks more the Space Surveilliance Ships from the 1970s to me. Before this, there was the Qiongsha, but that had no helipad.

And it makes sense too: Type 71s just came online. Why on Earth would they waste them on these roles when its primary role has not been filled?

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Perhaps the PLAN is very satified with this ship design so why not use it for another role to save design costs? Or perhaps in the event that more transports are needed, a quick conversion can be done? Just some thoughts....