Is the PRC suppling Iraqi insurgents?

King_Comm

King_Comm

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utelore said:
the biggest problem the U.S forces are facing besides the EFP IED supplied by iran and syria is the new warheads they are putting on the RPG-7 and the deployment of the RPG-29. also Metis-M and Kornet are being used in larger numbers but this is not being annouced by the DoD. Some cases of Metis-M hits are being reported as EFP IED hits.
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==If the insurgence are indeed getting tandem warheads for their RPG-7's, RPG-29's, and are using Metis-M and Kornet in large numbers, then we would expect two things, 1. captured examples of those weapons, 2. Increase in coalition vehicle losses, do you have sources for those?
 
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fishhead

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Chinese source already clarified that these weapons are mainly from the leftover of Afghan war, from the CIA sources(they paid for them at that time).
 
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nero

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Colt .45 said:
I don't think china whats the piss off the U.S. by supplying its enemies with weapons, that could mean another cold war between the U.S. and china. and though china has a bigger military it lacks the equipment to be a superpower. :coffee:
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brother, the coldwar between china & the U.S.A has already started

infact china is ahead for your information.

after the IRAQ-debacle, the U.S is on the backfoot.

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Colt .45

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nero said:
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brother, the coldwar between china & the U.S.A has already started

infact china is ahead for your information.

after the IRAQ-debacle, the U.S is on the backfoot.

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You can blame George Bush for weakening the U.S. Military, by sending us to Iraq for that.
 
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The_Zergling

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nero said:
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brother, the coldwar between china & the U.S.A has already started

infact china is ahead for your information.

after the IRAQ-debacle, the U.S is on the backfoot.

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Well I would say it all depends on your method of determining 'ahead'. Militarily Iraq has not really hampered the US' ability to fight China, as I find it doubtful that significant amounts of Army units (which are generally the ones being decimated right now) would be used. The Navy and the Air Force would probably be doing the most of the fighting, if it stayed conventional.

Now, the fact that the US is borrowing so much money from China to finance the occupation on the other hand is indeed a factor that gives China a bargaining chip if the situation really does deteriorate into a 'Cold War'.
 
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RedMercury

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Actually utelore, to be 100% correct, there are plenty of PRC manufactured weapons inside Iraq. But most if not all were bought either before the current mess or paid for by the US for the Iraqi army and police forces. Just recently another order was made...
 
Finn McCool

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utelore said:
the biggest problem the U.S forces are facing besides the EFP IED supplied by iran and syria is the new warheads they are putting on the RPG-7 and the deployment of the RPG-29. also Metis-M and Kornet are being used in larger numbers but this is not being annouced by the DoD. Some cases of Metis-M hits are being reported as EFP IED hits.

I dont see the PRC aiding the insurgancy in any way. no reports of PRC weapons systems in Iraq.
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I'd like to see some proof of this. Certainly it is possible, and your probably right that the insurgents are using more effective RPGs. However I haven't heard anything about the use of Kornets and Metis-Ms. Since Kornets were responsible for knocking out Merkavas in Lebabnon, it would stand to reason that they are capable of taking out M-1 Abrams as well. And this would be consistent with your claim that these ATGM hits are being reported as EFPs because if have heard reports of Abrams being taken out by EFP IEDs, which seems unlikely to me.

The thing that bothers me most is how would the Pentagon keep it secret? I suppose the answer to that question is dependant on the frequency of the use of these weapons; if they are used somewhat frequently then word of their exsistance would be more widespread. If they have only been used in a few instances then their use could be covered up.

Either way it is bad for US troops. And if this is true it is the most convincing evidence yet of direct Iranian support of insurgent groups in Iraq.
 
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mpaduan79

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Finn McCool said:
I'd like to see some proof of this. Certainly it is possible, and your probably right that the insurgents are using more effective RPGs. However I haven't heard anything about the use of Kornets and Metis-Ms. Since Kornets were responsible for knocking out Merkavas in Lebabnon, it would stand to reason that they are capable of taking out M-1 Abrams as well. And this would be consistent with your claim that these ATGM hits are being reported as EFPs because if have heard reports of Abrams being taken out by EFP IEDs, which seems unlikely to me.

The thing that bothers me most is how would the Pentagon keep it secret? I suppose the answer to that question is dependant on the frequency of the use of these weapons; if they are used somewhat frequently then word of their exsistance would be more widespread. If they have only been used in a few instances then their use could be covered up.

Either way it is bad for US troops. And if this is true it is the most convincing evidence yet of direct Iranian support of insurgent groups in Iraq.
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maybe iran using iraq using weapon that reverse enginered from copies of lebonan war and afghan war...i heard that they copy tow @ hj-8 into toophan atgm?:coffee:
 
The_Zergling

The_Zergling

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arsenal100 said:
i read an areticle saying the americans were suppliying the "the sunni insurgents"
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That's correct... basically the deal was that the Americans would arm the Sunni insurgents who up until that point had been attacking them, as long as they promised to use the weapons against Al Qaeda. So in essence, the US has backed both of the two primary factions in the civil war.
 
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