New J-10 thread II

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fishhead

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A more clear photo, the paint is different(not finished)

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Sorry my friend.
But for some reason my computer does not want to display this photograph. I keep getting a message "page opened but with errors". Help would be appreciated.
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Araz

I repost the link, hope you can see now
 
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araz

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A more clear photo, the paint is different

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Sorry my friend.
But for some reason my computer does not want to display this photograph. I keep getting a message "page opened but with errors". Help would be appreciated.
Regards
Araz
 

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The Russian government will soon have to decide on the re-export of Russian airplane engines to Pakistan again. Islamabad will soon sign a contract with Beijing on the purchase of 36 J-10 fighter jets (otherwise known as FC-20) for delivery by the end of next year. Experts say the deal will cost Pakistan around $1.5 billion. The planes will be equipped with AL-31FN engines made by the Russian MMP Salyut. Last month, Beijing reached an agreement with Moscow of 150 RD-93 engines to Pakistan by China. That deal was approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin personally.
 

adeptitus

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Republic and North American was among the first to be gone. Then McDonnel Douglas. Then General Dynamics quit the business and sold to Lockheed. Grumman quit and consolidated with Northrop who also quit the aircraft making business altogether. Now you are left with Lockheed-Martin Marietta and Boeing, none of whom actually designed the four "teen" aircraft originally. F-14 (Grumman), F-15 (McDonnell Douglas), F-16 (General Dynamics), and F-18 (Northrop).
Its possible if the trend goes, by the sixth generation, there will only be one unified fighter.

This is just an opinion on my part -- I think we'll see a trend moving from manned to unmanned aircraft, and the UAV market will spur large numbers of aviation companies, not unlike the early days of manned aviation. However, like the manned aircraft market, the UAV market will also eventually consolidate down to fewer and fewer companies over time.

I live in Southern California and have seen the effects of the aerospace and defense sector consolidations. Areas that were once prosperous with large aerospace industry presence were left desolate and later redeveloped. I think the old GD site in Pomona is still a concrete wasteland. MD left Long Beach, and the Boeing offices that used to be in Fullerton (off Chapman) have been turned into residential housing tracts. I considered buying a house there but it was across the street from the smelly Del Monte cannery. =P
 

crobato

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The J-10 above also seems to have a different nozzle design. You can see the seams in the nozzles that tell you there are less petals on the outside, but these petals are bigger, and the seams on the outer petals have a more noticeable seperation. The petals on the previous nozzles are smaller and finer, while being more numerous. The new petals remind me of the petals in the back of the J-11Bs.
 

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A more clear photo, the paint is different(not finished)

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I repost the link, hope you can see now

Sorry guys to disappoint You but just when I saw this picture for the first time I had a strange feeling ... nuw I "refoud" this particular bird saved on my harddrive on "1. April 2006" with the same red block but in the right direction.
If You look closely You can see that the gun is located on the wrong side .... :mad:

Sorry, but just comparey by yourself ! Attached is the original picture facing to the left .. and the "mirrored one" facing to the right as above !

Cheers, Deino
 

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Gollevainen

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Good work Deino. Its nice to have atleast few who has enough spirit and time to really check out the facts and backing up when posting pictures....other than pretend to be an expert or having acses to information that other hasent;)
 

Jon K

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This is just an opinion on my part -- I think we'll see a trend moving from manned to unmanned aircraft, and the UAV market will spur large numbers of aviation companies, not unlike the early days of manned aviation. However, like the manned aircraft market, the UAV market will also eventually consolidate down to fewer and fewer companies over time.

I agree. The large amount of competing designs and companies is also perhaps because no major country seems to be sure yet what kind of UCAV's it will want in the future. The US and European countries are also protecting the production runs of their current high tech fighters by not going overtly for the UCAV's yet. If various Air Force staff exactly defined what they want from UCAV's and what the UCAV's can be expected to do the current production runs might be threatened by cancellation.

And finally, but perhaps importantly, there is the Fighter Pilot's Trade Union issue. Top Gun 2020: A bunch of nerds sitting in a van eating pizza. What kind of a fighter pilot would want that? :) What would happen for the flight pay? And retirement jobs flying commuters between point A and B?

I'm 120% sure the F-35 will be the last manned US fighter, perhaps even the last manned US strike aircraft. As F-35 was specced during early 90's it's understandable it was designed as a manned aircraft. But PAK-FA and J-XX projects in their current manned form are really waste of money. It is very hard to see what Chinese and Russian air staffs are smoking when they require fragile biomatter to sit in a fighter to be deployed in 2020...
 

fishhead

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Sorry guys to disappoint You but just when I saw this picture for the first time I had a strange feeling ... nuw I "refoud" this particular bird saved on my harddrive on "1. April 2006" with the same red block but in the right direction.
If You look closely You can see that the gun is located on the wrong side .... :mad:

Sorry, but just comparey by yourself ! Attached is the original picture facing to the left .. and the "mirrored one" facing to the right as above !

Cheers, Deino

Interesting, a fake photo. I never saw that original photo before, and I don't backup pictures.
 

crobato

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For some reason I don't have that pic either. I thought I had all the pics. Having this on Jan 2006 means a big thing because it is a new prototype.

Plane apparently has bulge to accomodate the satlink on the spine already, by Jan 2006. Use of a different primer on different areas of the aircraft is quite interesting, as that may mean the material underneath the grey primer is not the same as the one used under the yellow primer. Yet this is in contrast to the other J-10s taken around 2006 which is still completely yellow.

Planes that are flying in this paint condition are usually prototypes. With those tanks and all, its going through a flight test with some pretty long flight times. Planes that are in primer condition in the ground may or may not be prototypes, as they may also be being carted to a seperate painting section.
 
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