JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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coolieno99

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Nevertheless, relationships between China and Iran have been good. China help Iran to develop her nuclear technology(building research reactors and providing nuclear materials). And China provide missile technology to Iran as well. Also China is involved in many civilian construction projects with Iran.
 

Kilo636

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Nevertheless, relationships between China and Iran have been good. China help Iran to develop her nuclear technology(building research reactors and providing nuclear materials). And China provide missile technology to Iran as well. Also China is involved in many civilian construction projects with Iran.

I thought Russia is the one helping them on the nuclear project?
 

Zahid

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My friends, are we not going awfully off-topic here?

Let me ask a question. What can be done to increase TWR of JF-17. I have read somewhere that there is some flexibility within this aircraft for using different engines. Is it possible to use any one of the western engines? Especially french ones.

With higher TWR, perhaps armament carrying capacity can be improved. What are the chances of increasing hard points to 9 from the current 7?
 

optionsss

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crobato made a really good point a while ago, if you don't have enough spaces under the wing, then there is no point to add extra hard point.
 

maglomanic

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crobato made a really good point a while ago, if you don't have enough spaces under the wing, then there is no point to add extra hard point.

Perhaps a better option is to stregthen the structure and use multiple launchers/racks per hardpoint.
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pshamim

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Great news for the JF-17 program. I think that this will end all rumors/speculations about the RD-93 engine.

Chinese Fighter Jets to Reach Pakistan

Russia has officially sanctioned China to re-export aircraft engines to Pakistan. The permit revives the chance of supplying 150 China’s JF-17 fighter jets to Pakistan and the $238-million contract for delivering aircraft engines from Russia with the optional extension to $3.75 billion. In president’s administration, they don’t think deliveries will cloud military and engineering cooperation of Russia and India, which budget is estimated at $1.5 billion a year. It was a source with Russia’s government that leaked information about Russia’s-Chinese agreement for joint assembly of JF-17 fighter jets with RD-93 engines of Klimov works’ design (made by Chernyshev works) and for selling the aircraft to third countries – Pakistan and a few states of South-East Asia and Africa. “The standing of China is traditionally very strong” there, the source said.

President Vladimir Putin personally supervised the deal and inked sanctioning documents, representatives of president’s administration specified. The deal was backed up by all parties concerned – Defense Ministry, Federal Industry Agency and Rosoboronexport, which is the state exporter of weapons.

But the sanction doesn’t mean adding Pakistan to the list of states of direct military and technical cooperation with Russia. It is rather the matter of a single contract.

Under the contract with China, Pakistan will get 150 JF-17 Thunder (FC-1) fighter jets worth $2.3 billion overall. In 2005, Rosoboronexport made a $238-million contract with China to deliver for FC-1s a hundred RD-93 engines, spares to them and to provide maintenance. Beijing is ready to buy up to 1,000 engines, should they be upgraded for thrust augmentation. In this case, the aggregate budget of contract will step up to $3.75 billion.
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Schumacher

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Maybe Russia is realizing that the risks of ending up with nothing, ie, losing this engine deal to ws-13 & the Indian deal to F-18, is quite real.
 

pshamim

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Where this leaves the WS-13 now if China may buy 1000 RD-93. Pakistan, South East Asian and Africans countries allowed for reexport of RD-93 on JF-17/FC-1 by the Russian.

普京亲自同意售华RD-93发动机可再出口[图](1)
2007-04-28 13:51:53 人民网 【大 中 小】 查看评论
【俄罗斯《生意人报》4月26日报道】题:中国战斗机将飞到巴基斯坦

俄罗斯已正式允许中国向巴基斯坦再出口俄制飞机发动机。此举使中国向巴基斯坦出口150架JF-17战斗机和俄罗斯向中国出口飞机发动机的合同从2.83亿美元增加到3.75亿美元有了可能。


资料图:俄制RD-93航空发动机

总统办公厅表示相信,向巴基斯坦出口战斗机不会对俄印军事技术合作产生不良影响。

本报从一位政府官员处获悉,俄罗斯同中国达成了用俄制RD-93发动机共同组装JF-17战斗机并向第三国出口的协议。这位官员说,“第三国”包括巴基斯坦以及东南亚和非洲一些国家。

总统办公厅对本报说,“普京总统亲自过问了同中国的这笔交易。他在许可证上签了字。此事得到了包括国防部在内的俄罗斯有关各方的同意。”不过,俄方的许可并不意味着巴基斯坦将被列入与俄罗斯直接进行军事技术合作的国家名单。

根据同中国达成的协议,巴基斯坦可获得150架JF-17战斗机。俄罗斯国防产品出口公司于2005年同中国签订了出口150台RD-93飞机发动机及其配件和技术服务的合同,总价值2.83亿美元。如果这种发动机得到进一步改进,北京准备购买1000台,这样合同总额就会达到3.75亿美元。(来源:《参考消息》)
 

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Jeff Head

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To justify handoff capability, you need an extremely long range missile. AIM-54 and R-37 fits the bill. AMRAAM, whose middle name includes Medium Range, doesn't.
Well, the AIM-120 AMRAAM is going through its third major variation, the AIM-120D. The maximum range of all three is given below:

AIM-120A/B...75km
AIM-120C....105km
AIM-120D....180km

The C version is the current full production version, and the D version will start deliveries this year and be in production thereafter.

Particularly with the D version (but you could also apply it to the C version historically in terms of range), which is a joint US Air Force/US Navy project, the "Medium" range part of the AMRAAM really no longer applies.

From its inception, the AMRAAM was designed with a datalink to guide the missile to a point where its active radar acquires and intercepts the target. That data link can be utilized by other aircraft, either other AIM-120 capable fighters, or, particularly the E-3 or E-2C AWACS aircraft.
 

tphuang

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Where this leaves the WS-13 now if China may buy 1000 RD-93. Pakistan, South East Asian and Africans countries allowed for reexport of RD-93 on JF-17/FC-1 by the Russian.

普京亲自同意售华RD-93发动机可再出口[图](1)
2007-04-28 13:51:53 人民网 【大 中 小】 查看评论
【俄罗斯《生意人报》4月26日报道】题:中国战斗机将飞到巴基斯坦

俄罗斯已正式允许中国向巴基斯坦再出口俄制飞机发动机。此举使中国向巴基斯坦出口150架JF-17战斗机和俄罗斯向中国出口飞机发动机的合同从2.83亿美元增加到3.75亿美元有了可能。


资料图:俄制RD-93航空发动机

总统办公厅表示相信,向巴基斯坦出口战斗机不会对俄印军事技术合作产生不良影响。

本报从一位政府官员处获悉,俄罗斯同中国达成了用俄制RD-93发动机共同组装JF-17战斗机并向第三国出口的协议。这位官员说,“第三国”包括巴基斯坦以及东南亚和非洲一些国家。

总统办公厅对本报说,“普京总统亲自过问了同中国的这笔交易。他在许可证上签了字。此事得到了包括国防部在内的俄罗斯有关各方的同意。”不过,俄方的许可并不意味着巴基斯坦将被列入与俄罗斯直接进行军事技术合作的国家名单。

根据同中国达成的协议,巴基斯坦可获得150架JF-17战斗机。俄罗斯国防产品出口公司于2005年同中国签订了出口150台RD-93飞机发动机及其配件和技术服务的合同,总价值2.83亿美元。如果这种发动机得到进一步改进,北京准备购买1000台,这样合同总额就会达到3.75亿美元。(来源:《参考消息》)
This is just a translation of the article above. I don't see how this shows China will be buying 1000 RD-93s.
 
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