To those who serve/served in the armed forces: WHAT DO YOU ENVY ABOUT THE PLA?
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i thing you have to know the US army might pay say $20,000/soldier a year, but this convert to yuan is 160,000, consider the fact a PLA solider pay is probably around 1000 yuan/month, so for the same $20k, you effectively pay 14 PLA soliders. also, i know for sure that even some high school student in china in military training are shotting couples of hundreds rounds, and every chinese student has to get there military training in china. so there is about what 300million students. also even the high tech engineer aren't pay as much as over here in US. a engineer avg can be around $70-$80k, which is about same in china, but thats in yuan, which mean u have to *8
I am not sure why we r still stuck here talking about military spending because i thought we were just suppose to talk about the stuff we might envy about the PLA.
But anyway u must remember that money figures sometimes do not mean much because alot of the money actually goes to some dude's pocket and not really military effectiveness. Meaning that government deliberately chooses various contractors and pay them some extra big bucks for cheap stuff.
So therefore one of the things i would envy about the PLA is that they r getting all these new gadgets.
But anyway u must remember that money figures sometimes do not mean much because alot of the money actually goes to some dude's pocket and not really military effectiveness. Meaning that government deliberately chooses various contractors and pay them some extra big bucks for cheap stuff.
So therefore one of the things i would envy about the PLA is that they r getting all these new gadgets.
aquilis182
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Im not PLA soldier but I keep an eye to them cause beyond all the waknes that the PLA can have I think The PLA still one of the biggest treat to the US Forces. I may not go to chaina and try to do research myself but and even this website tells me they are not as capable as the U.S. Army even being a larger force. If you have any other sourse tahn tells other diferent thing about the PLA please let me know I gonna apreciate that. If you find an PLA official website in english Im even more eager to listen to what they say.
The_Zergling
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When you talk about "capable" it depends on what mission. The US holds an unparalleled advantage in force projection, but the PLA is completely adequate for China's current defense goals.
aquilis182
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Im just comparing both military forces the PLA and The U.S. Army. As far as the sources say the PLA have not intention to attack nobody (at least for now). When I talk about wich army it's better I speak in overrall terms. Let's sets our pride aside and face the reality. If The PLA face the U.S. Army in the battlefield they have more probability to defeat the US Army than any other countries in the world but the probability still low PLA pros: The have significant advantages in numbers (nobody can't deny that) but US Army pros: They are a way better trained, enqiped and many soldiers (including me) have combat experience... China it's moderning the PLA everybody knows that but they still have a lot to do to match or surpass the US Army.
Off course I don't say advanced weapons and best trained personel asure the victory in to the battlefield (we have to remember the british troops overruned by Zulu warriors) but if advanced weapons and better trained personel dont asure the victory in to the battlefield much less the numbers (we have to think in the ancient times when the king Xexer of persia try to invade the greek cities with a masive army... the hellic army where in disadvantage in numbers but the soldier "specially the Spartans" where much better than any of the persian army can have. The true its than numbers and neither technological advance and skills asure the victory but best trained personel and advance technology has prove for centuries been better than numbers...of course miracles can happen but if TODAY U.S. Army and the PLA engage in battle I bet the U.S. Army wins (not without significant loses)
eecsmaster
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and where would the US army actually face the PLA? On Chinese soil? That most certainly is going to result in a US defeat if the conflict doesn't go nuclear. If you bring combined arms tactics into play then the scope of comparison changes considerably.
aquilis182
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First of all my friend Im talking about general terms. Im aware that Chinese forces are improving their "capabilities" In general terms much faster than even the U.S. department of Defense expect but my point is regardless of that the U.S. Army until the sun of today have a better military. If your argument its than China have a nice military for their purpose... yes you're right... In my opinion China have a much better military than they really need.
But if today China and US engage in a war U.S. will sustain heavy losses (military analiyst from the pentagon expect to win against North Korea but will cost the lives of 90,000 US soldiers) My point is that China it's stronger than NK so obviously will inflict more damage than NK but even if they inflict the triple (360,000 of US soldiers) U.S will crush China's forces cause in the proces of killing thouse soldiers they will lose their soldiers. Thats my analysis of whats happen if US and China fight a conventional warfare. In the Sea... China it's modernizing their navy but U.S. Navy still better than the Chinese navy Chinese subs can cause few loses of US warships and maybe carriers but when they launch their ballistic missile they give away their position so a P-3 Orion will send the chinese Subs to meet their maker in the bottom of the sea . In the Air... I know than China manage to create an outstanding jetfighter the J-10 and buy some nice russian maded jetfigters but if we face the reallity most of the PLAAF are chinese versions of mig-19 farmers and mig-21 fishbed and the pilots train 140 to 150 hrs at year and lack of real combat experience (chek it out at ) The american pilots train over 300 hrs at year with updated enquipment and mush of them have combat experience. not to mention the chinese version for the mig-19 and mig-21 are no match for the f-15s (the backbone of the USAF) the j-10s and the SU-35s are better than the american F-15s but the F-22 Raptors will shoot them down cause far outperform any jetfighter in the planet and are "stealth". After that B-2 Spirits (invisible to radar and even to infrared sensors) cannot be locked by SAMs and can fly high enough to outrange the chinese AAA systems will bomb the heck out of the Chineses forces without a single lost. In the land warefare thats the most difficult to U.S. cause Chinese army it's a way larger than the US land forces but before they engage in combat as I say before the USAF will greatly reduce the PLA forces.
The remaining forces will be desoriented and hunger cause the USAF bombardment make them losse their supplies. The US troops better trained and enquiped and fresh to battle will anahilate the remaining PLA but unlike the USAF the SA Army and USMC will take some serious damage from the PLA but in the end thei will prevail cause they will have kill or (not very likely to capture chinese soldiers, they are very brave and they will fight to death. I admire the Chinese culture in that!) Chinese isurgency? That can be a good point thats the most hard part of that cause U.S. forces have to follow RoEs
But Chinese have honor and aren't terrorist and they are not coward to use human as shield like the talibans and iraqi isurgencies... Making that easier to US Forces to open fire and of cuorse kill them.
Why? Because US can't just walking in and invade like they did to iraq?
I don't think anybody today can "crush" china military if you are to invade China. They might get beat when they fight elsewhere, but in their home land? Don't even think about it.
Using the last US/China war as a reference.
110,400 China Battle Death
33,686 US Battle Dath
that is the lowest US kill ratio ever.. In almost all wars fought by the US the average kill ration is about 12 to 1 us battle death. Even in WWII.
US would never get that far, where you going to get the solider to even make that nessary? There is just going to be a tiny "Green Zone" in the "Yellow".
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