Korean War 70 years later Win Lose and A draw

Quickie said:

How is that ironic? Read the sentence again.

You still at it?

I knew you were somewhat pesky. I didn't know you're that pesky.

You're wasting my time.

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And you certainly have a masochist streak, seeing as you keep coming back for more when you said you had enough.

Its ironic when you are clearly attempting to force me to believe that the VOC represents the totality of Dutch strength at the time when it clearly did not, or that the siege of Zeelandia was a incident of epic significance which again it was not.

What masochist streak?

I have no interest in your nonsense. Go away.

or I'll report you for pestering a member.

Quickie said:

What masochist streak?

I have no interest in your nonsense. Go away.

or I'll report you for pestering a member.

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You know you can always stop if you want to right ? BTW, responding does not count as pestering.
If you are really so busy with your work then, by all means, go and do it.

North Korean Battle tank of the era
T34/85 late soviet ww2.

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Well The new exhibition hall to commemorate Korean was was just reopened It is good China remember the sacrifice made to hold the western aggression and maintained China territorial integrity I wish the Chinese leadership today has strong will and gut like it was back then

Memorial hall commemorating Korean War reopens in China
Source: Xinhua Published: 2020/9/20 8:12:34

Veterans of the Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) pose for a group photo at the Memorial Hall of the War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea, in Dandong, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Sept. 19, 2020. (Xinhua/Yang Qing)

A memorial hall commemorating the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea (1950-1953) reopened on Saturday in northeast China's Liaoning Province.

The renovated and expanded Memorial Hall of the War to Resist US Aggression and Aid Korea in the border city of Dandong is the only museum in China featuring an exhibition of the complete history of the participation of the Chinese People's Volunteers (CPV) in the war.

Covering a total area of 182,000 square meters, it consists of an exhibition hall, a memorial tower, a national defense education park, and a panorama hall featuring a panoramic painting of 132.15 meters long and 16 meters tall, which depicts the famous battle of the Chongchon River in the war.


Representatives from all walks of life participate in the opening ceremony of the Memorial Hall of the War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid Korea, in Dandong, northeast China's Liaoning Province, Sept. 19, 2020. (Xinhua/Yang Qing)

The floor area of the exhibition hall has been expanded from the original 5,400 square meters to 23,845 square meters. During the refurbishment, the staff of the memorial hall solicited exhibition items from around the world, enriching the displayed items from just over 700 to more than 1,600 now, said Gong Shaoshan, deputy curator of the memorial hall.

First established in 1958 and moved to the current site in 1993, the memorial hall closed in late 2014 and has undergone massive refurbishment and expansion since then. Before it was closed, the new site had received 12 million visits.

An American-style rifle that CPV commander-in-chief Peng Dehuai carried back from the battlefield, letters from CPV soldiers, and a uniform of the then US army are among the displayed items donated by veterans or their relatives, said Gong.
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On a different note with a slightly different twist; a bit if related history.

The Korean War is the only instance where two bitter rivals India and Pakistan ( themselves then in a state of war) were ironically fighting together on the same side with the "UN" forces against the DPRK and the PLA.
Their military contribution was tiny and symbolic and restricted to light infantry units only and they were nowhere involved in direct fighting.
However what is significant is the impact the Korean war had on the people in these countries.
India:
The Indian Communist Party ( CPI) had been then banned (1948-50) because if its participation in militant anti-feudal uprisings in Southern and Eastern India. Though politically underground, the cultural and media fronts of the organization were active, and the Korean war was a catalyst in mobilizing public opinion against the war. Through street theatre, literary seminars, mass demonstrations, and activist writers,poets,and artists the public opinion in India swung firmly to the left.
The general hostility to the conflict by the Indian masses led to popular sentiment in favor of the left wing political parties and the relaxation by the Indian government on the curbs and their re-entry into the Indian political process.
Pakistan:
Like the sentiment across the border the Pakistanis too were appalled by the horrors of the Korean conflict and. as in India left wing writers, and poets, journalists wrote copiously against the war, and there were protests ( quickly stifled). The left wing intelligentsia in Pakistan took extreme risks condemning the UN action since unlike India Pakistan was moving more firmly into the Western anti-communist alliance and the state apparatus was quick to clamp down and imprison them. In fact the sentiment spilled over some what into the junior and middle level defense services officer corp. Uncomfortable with the growing anti-Western sentiment a number of senior and middle level army officers were arrested in an incident known as the "Rawalpindi Conspiracy Case". Among those arrested was an army officer Faiz Ahmed who later became a celebrated poet. In jail he penned his famous poem lamenting the Napalm bombing of civilians mimicking the standard opening sentence of the Western newscast. (Titie : And today the bombing of Korea continues...) .

The Korean war had a significant impact on the political environment in South Asia. The impact faded away in Pakistan but remained resilient in India. Two and half decades later there was a similar impact due to the Vietnam war in India.

My thoughts here since Mr T bought up the subject of the UN alliance in this sorry saga on another thread.

This UN thing is as though legitimise the Korea war from the US and West perspective. The fact that the UN who voted to send the alliance in excludes 1/5th of mankind. Is far from being the UN. Plus the fact as we see later, the US will send troops in to another country with or without UN sanction anyway.

I'm sure the other western forces like Australia, UK etc wouldn't be there if US forces are not there too. This speaks volumn. Because if it is just and right to send your forces in to evict an unjust invasion, then why is it not just and right when the US don't send their force in. And the rest of the western nation follow suits.

Gatekeeper said:

My thoughts here since Mr T bought up the subject of the UN alliance in this sorry saga on another thread.

This UN thing is as though legitimise the Korea war from the US and West perspective. The fact that the UN who voted to send the alliance in excludes 1/5th of mankind. Is far from being the UN. Plus the fact as we see later, the US will send troops in to another country with or without UN sanction anyway.

I'm sure the other western forces like Australia, UK etc wouldn't be there if US forces are not there too. This speaks volumn. Because if it is just and right to send your forces in to evict an unjust invasion, then why is it not just and right when the US don't send their force in. And the rest of the western nation follow suits.

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The UN was always about power plays. The world had already descended into the Cold War by the time the Korean war erupted. In such a polarized world there could never be a unanimous decision on matters of such gravity. Actually, it's quite surprising the PRC government managed to get condemned as an aggressor.

The moral problem I see is that the PRC government, claiming to be the sole legitimate government of China, violated the promise China made in the Cairo declaration of non-aggression and no territorial ambitions by supporting North Korea and intervening in the Korean War. By violating the Cairo declaration, PRC government undermined the legitimacy of China's claim to Taiwan and gave the US and its allies a convenient moral excuse for keeping Taiwan out of communist China's reach. Very badly played by the PRC.

US Secretary of State Acheson in 1950:
"The Cairo Declaration ...declares that Formosa should be returned to China. It also declares ... that Korea should be free and independent. In most of the discussions that we have about Formosa, we are reminded about the Formosan part of the Declaration, and both the Chinese and the Russians forget about the Korean part of the Declaration. Surely, the Declaration of Cairo is an important factor to be taken into consideration in the future settlement. But the future settlement is for the future.

British foreign minister in 1951:
"The Cairo Declaration also proclaimed the intention that Korea should in due course become free and independent. It also expressed acceptance of two principles: non-aggression and no territorial ambitions .... [T]he Prime Minister [Atlee] went on to remark [on December 14, 1950] that until China shows by her action that she is not obstructing fulfilment [sic] of the Cairo Declaration in respect of Korea and accepts the basic principle of that Declaration, it will be difficult to reach a satisfactory solution of this problem [of Formosa] ."

Gatekeeper said:

My thoughts here since Mr T bought up the subject of the UN alliance in this sorry saga on another thread.

This UN thing is as though legitimise the Korea war from the US and West perspective. The fact that the UN who voted to send the alliance in excludes 1/5th of mankind. Is far from being the UN. Plus the fact as we see later, the US will send troops in to another country with or without UN sanction anyway.

I'm sure the other western forces like Australia, UK etc wouldn't be there if US forces are not there too. This speaks volumn. Because if it is just and right to send your forces in to evict an unjust invasion, then why is it not just and right when the US don't send their force in. And the rest of the western nation follow suits.

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I guess if the US can get other countries to act act with her outside the auspices of the UN, it would then somehow legitimize their action.