Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

shanlung

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Let us take a look at Diamond Princess. Now in quarantine in Yokohama with 3600 on board.
A gentleman from Hongkong flew into Tokyo on Jan 17, and then went ot Yokohama where he joined that cruise on Jan 20.
Apparently he had no symptoms. That cruise stopped at a few cities, Keelung in Taiwan, a couple more in Vietnam and then stopped at Hongkong
where he got off on Jan 25. He felt well enough and seek medical only on Jan 30 when they found he got NCV.

He might not have infected all those on Diamond Princess. Perhaps he infected a few, maybe those that cleaned his room, or serving him at buffet.
Who might then gone and infect others. Or again, I be wrong and he infected all those infected on board.
Then what about the cities he visited and people he came across including HongKong from 25 to 30 Jan?

Now look at another hot zone Singapore. Folks had and are cancelling flights and hotel bookings here even if they could not get refunds.
And let us look at these 3 cases ( Many more, but this give you an idea, including the earlier piece I wrote of the call girl from Wuhan. And Geylang is a
very well known red light area)

And you think how contacts can be traced down. Bear in mind that Hongkong gentleman was apparently healthy. Yet he infected others many days before his symptoms appeared

No idea how those three were infected. And likewise, no idea whom they infected before they felt sick enough to be tested.
In the school? Going to church? Visiting for CNY ? taking train and taxis? eating at food courts and restaurants? In waiting rooms of clinics?
Or even going to the Zoo!

Your guess as good as mine.

Exciting times are upon us all.

A few days ago, I wrote about Phase 2.
And like it or not, it is happening.


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Coronavirus: 42-year-old S’porean VJC teacher among 3 new cases, total cases at 33
The source of infection for all three new confirmed cases has not been identified.



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The Ministry of Health (MOH) announced three more confirmed cases of coronavirus on Feb. 7, bringing the total number of confirmed cases in Singapore to 33.

All three cases have no recent travel history to China and all of them are Singaporeans.

One of them is a 42-year-old teacher at Victoria Junior College (VJC).

Contact tracing is underway and the sources of infection for these three cases have not been identified.


Case 31: 53-year-old man stays at Tampines St 24
The 31st case of coronavirus in Singapore is a 53-year-old man who stays in Tampines Street 24.

According to MOH, he displayed symptoms on Jan. 23 and visited a general practitioner (GP) clinic on the same day.

He visited the GP clinic again on Jan. 28 and was admitted to CGH on Feb. 1.

He tested positive for the coronavirus on Feb. 6 at about 11pm.

Prior to admission to CGH, he went to The Life Church and Missions Singapore at 146B Paya Lebar Road and visited family and friends during the Chinese New Year (CNY).

He has no recent travel history to China. However, he visited Malaysia on Jan. 6, Jan. 11 and Jan. 17, 2020.

He is currently isolated at Changi General Hospital (CGH).

Case 32: VJC teacher
The 32nd confirmed case is a 42-year-old female Singaporean.

According to MOH, the 42-year-old has no recent travel history to mainland China.

The 42-year-old reported onset of symptoms on Feb. 2 and was admitted to Parkway East Hospital three days later on Feb. 5.

She tested positive for the virus on Feb. 6 at around 11pm.

MOH added that the patient did not interact with her colleagues and students after her symptoms appeared.

The VJC teacher stays at Elias Road and had visited Changi Airport as well as the Singapore Zoo.

She is currently warded in an isolation room at the National Centre for Infectious Diseases (NCID).

Case 33: 39-year-old female been to Malaysia during CNY period
The 33rd confirmed case in Singapore is a 39-year-old female who does not have travel history to mainland China but had been to Malaysia from Jan. 22 to Jan 29.

She developed symptoms on Jan. 30 and went to the emergency department at Sengkang General Hospital (SKH) on Feb. 2.

She tested positive for the virus on Feb. 6, 11pm.

She’s now isolated at SKH.

Along with the announcement of the new confirmed cases, the ministry has raised the Disease Outbreak Response System Condition’ (DORSCON) from Yellow to Orange. MOH has also implemented additional precautionary measures.
 
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shanlung

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This will give you folks here food for your thoughts.

Take a look at this Reddit posting.
Go into the Google map within that posting. And follow on the comments there.

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A great but I believe a futile attempt to trace routes taken by folks from Diamond Princess when the ship was in Keelung, Taiwan. Dropping folks to see the sights.

I spend many years in Taiwan, Taipei, and those spots shown in the map (go enlarge that map) are typical tourist areas.

And all from just that one guy from Hongkong.

Take a look at this recent posting in Singapore. And of course, they got to say "The risk of infection from transient contact, such as on public transport or in public places, is assessed to be low."

Is that saying medically reliable? Or wishful thinking and hoping.
No end of excitment living here in the hot zone.

Your turn might come where you can join in the fun.:D:D:D

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Taxi driver & private hire driver among 7 new coronavirus cases in S’pore on Feb. 8
Three drivers in total.

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The Ministry of Health announced seven new cases in Singapore on Feb. 8, 2020, bringing the total number of cases to 40.

Among the new cases, one was a taxi driver (case 35), while another was a private hire driver (case 37).

After the onset of symptoms, case 35 largely stayed at home, except to visit Redhill Market and a hawker centre at Bukit Merah for meals.


He was admitted to Singapore General Hospital (SGH) on Feb. 6.

Case 37 visited two GP clinics on Feb. 1 and Feb. 3, before being admitted to Ng Teng Fong General Hospital (NTFGH) on Feb. 6.

Prior to hospital admission, he worked as a private hire car driver and stays at Jurong East Street 32.

Previous case of private hire driver
Previously, another
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(case 27) was confirmed to be infected on Feb. 5.

However, it is likely that he had gotten the virus from his wife (case 19), who worked at the store where a group of Chinese tourists visited, sparking a cluster of cases.

This makes it a total of three drivers.

Grab has also just announced that GrabShare services will be temporarily suspended from Feb. 9, 1 am onwards, until further notice.


Drivers pick up a multitude of people and spend prolonged periods in close proximity with them.

More drivers these days have been observed to wear a mask.

MOH says that they continue to work with the Ministry of Transport to reach out to all taxi and private hire car drivers on the steps they should take to protect themselves in the course of their work.

The risk of infection from transient contact, such as on public transport or in public places, is assessed to be low.
 

localizer

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a very scary situation might be that there are more people infected outside of China than in China

but the other developing countries have no resources to track or confirm them :eek:
 

Quickie

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actually over 1/2 millions killed by flu every year and 80k in the US each year

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I have been looking at the virus stats in these 2 provinces.

Guangdong 1095

Zhejiang 1048

2143 confirmed infections and 1 death so far. What is the reason for the low mortality (albeit still progressing)? Mutation of virus? Hospitals not overwhelmed by the relatively smaller number of patients? These hospitals should share useful medical information with other hospitals in China.

Assuming a similar number of unconfirmed and undetected infections, we may be looking at a mortality rate of 1/(2*2143) = 0.023 percent mortality rate.

Compare that to the Swine flu mortality rate of 0.020 percent!


New strains of the swine flu virus have appeared in the U.S. through the decades, and for whatever reason, the world didn't seem to bother with the fact that the U.S. hadn't had much luck in stopping the spread of the virus in 2009 that has now mutated into a number of different strains.

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I have been looking at the virus stats in these 2 provinces.

Guangdong 1095

Zhejiang 1048

2143 confirmed infections and 1 death so far. What is the reason for the low mortality (albeit still progressing)? Mutation of virus? Hospitals not overwhelmed by the relatively smaller number of patients? These hospitals should share useful medical information with other hospitals in China.

Assuming a similar number of unconfirmed and undetected infections, we may be looking at a mortality rate of 1/(2*2143) = 0.023 percent mortality rate.

Compare that to the Swine flu mortality rate of 0.020 percent!


New strains of the swine flu virus have appeared in the U.S. through the decades, and for whatever reason, the world didn't seem to bother with the fact that the U.S. hadn't had much luck in stopping the spread of the virus in 2009 that has now mutated into a number of different strains.

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Guangdong and Zhejiang are two of the most affluent provinces in China. They probably have much better health care than Wuhan. Also keep in mind that a much larger proportion of the patients in the aforementioned provinces are identified and quarantined.
 

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Sad news of passing of a brave Dr. The nation salute you for your bravery, professionalism and dedication in your endeavor to save the nation! You are the real unsung hero of China. RIP.

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Meanwhile, more brave medics arriving from different cities to help. We salute you all! I've never felt so proud to be a Chinese. Make a note guys, you'll never see this positive message on your news feed. The MSM will only only put negative spin on this, China's difficult time!

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