Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

solarz

Brigadier
Recovered:
This is the number of people who had been hospitalized due to the virus and have now been discharged. If you get hospitalized, you are showing some pretty serious symptoms. The vast majority of people who caught the virus do not get hospitalized to begin with.

It takes time for people to get well after a serious illness. This is why we are only now starting to see the recovery number exceed the death number. I expect that in the weeks to come, this number will grow much larger.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Here's Nathan Rich pointing out to the China haters out there. Again YouTube has still demonetizing his videos.


 
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Here's Nathan Rich pointing out to the China haters out there. Again YouTube has still demonetizing his videos.



Not having much issue with the first video but it is the second one which is precisely the kind of unsubstantiated rumor that needs to stop at this time of crisis.
Cultivation of viruses has always been a standard practice among developed nations around the world for scientific research and vaccine purposes. Heck there is even a conspiracy theory about the virus coming from a lab in Wuhan itself.
And just because the US has it's own bunch of conspiracy theories regarding AIDS does not mean that China's is any more credible. 2 wrongs does not make a right or in this case 2 crackpot theories.
The simplest reasoning for debunking this is a simple reasoning, if the virus was really man-made and its release was a deliberate act of subterfuge. You did imaged that who ever it was who did it might have chosen a much better way of infecting more people from the start (think breakouts in multiple areas) and that they would have made it much, much more lethal. Like Ebola kinda lethal.
It is the second video that I have not much sympathy being demonetized. If you want to debunk biased perceptions of China that's fine, but propagating conspiracy theories is another thing altogether.
 
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vincent

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Wuhan is the transportation node in china

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Dec. 19, 2017

Federal officials on Tuesday ended a moratorium imposed three years ago on funding research that alters germs to make them more lethal.

Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks.

Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.

Critics say these researchers risk creating a monster germ that could escape the lab and seed a pandemic.

Now, a government panel will require that researchers show that their studies in this area are scientifically sound and that they will be done in a high-security lab.

The pathogen to be modified must pose a serious health threat, and the work must produce knowledge — such as a vaccine — that would benefit humans. Finally, there must be no safer way to do the research.

“We see this as a rigorous policy,” Dr. Collins said. “We want to be sure we’re doing this right.”

In October 2014, all federal funding was halted on efforts to make three viruses more dangerous: the flu virus, and those causing Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

But the new regulations apply to any pathogen that could potentially cause a pandemic. For example, they would apply to a request to create an Ebola virus transmissible through the air, said Dr. Collins.

There has been a long, fierce debate about projects — known as “gain of function” research — intended to make pathogens more deadly or more transmissible.

In 2011, an outcry arose when laboratories in Wisconsin and the Netherlands revealed that they were trying to mutate the lethal H5N1 bird flu in ways that would let it jump easily between ferrets, which are used to model human flu susceptibility.

Tensions rose in 2014 after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention accidentally exposed lab workers to anthrax and shipped a deadly flu virus to a laboratory that had asked for a benign strain.

That year, the N.I.H. also found vials of smallpox in a freezer that had been forgotten for 50 years.

When the moratorium was imposed, it effectively halted 21 projects, Dr. Collins said. In the three years since, the N.I.H. created exceptions that funded ten of those projects. Five were flu-related, and five concerned the MERS virus.

That virus is a coronavirus carried by camels that has
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since it was discovered in 2012, and has killed about a third of them, according to the World Health Organization.

Critics of such research had mixed reactions. “There’s less than meets the eye,” said Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist and bioweapons expert at Rutgers University.

Although he applauded the requirement for review panels, he said he would prefer independent panels to government ones.

He also wanted the rules to cover all such research rather than just government-funded work, as well as clearer minimum safety standards and a mandate that the benefits “outweigh” the risks instead of merely “justifying” them.

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist who directs the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard School of Public Health, called review panels “a small step forward.”

Recent disease-enhancing experiments, he said, “have given us some modest scientific knowledge and done almost nothing to improve our preparedness for pandemics, and yet risked creating an accidental pandemic.”

Therefore, he said, he hoped the panels would turn down such work.

Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said he believed some laboratories could do such work safely, but wanted restrictions on what they could publish.

“If someone finds a way to make the Ebola virus more dangerous, I don’t believe that should be available to anybody off the street who could use it for nefarious purposes,” he said.

“Physicists long ago learned to distinguish between what can be publicly available and what’s classified,” he added, referring to nuclear weapons research. “We want to keep some of this stuff on a need-to-know basis.”

A version of this article appears in print on Dec. 20, 2017, Section A, Page 12 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Lifts Ban On Modifying Lethal Viruses.
 
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Federal officials on Tuesday ended a moratorium imposed three years ago on funding research that alters germs to make them more lethal.

Such work can now proceed, said Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, but only if a scientific panel decides that the benefits justify the risks.

Some scientists are eager to pursue these studies because they may show, for example, how a bird flu could mutate to more easily infect humans, or could yield clues to making a better vaccine.

Critics say these researchers risk creating a monster germ that could escape the lab and seed a pandemic.

Now, a government panel will require that researchers show that their studies in this area are scientifically sound and that they will be done in a high-security lab.

The pathogen to be modified must pose a serious health threat, and the work must produce knowledge — such as a vaccine — that would benefit humans. Finally, there must be no safer way to do the research.

“We see this as a rigorous policy,” Dr. Collins said. “We want to be sure we’re doing this right.”

In October 2014, all federal funding was halted on efforts to make three viruses more dangerous: the flu virus, and those causing Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

But the new regulations apply to any pathogen that could potentially cause a pandemic. For example, they would apply to a request to create an Ebola virus transmissible through the air, said Dr. Collins.

There has been a long, fierce debate about projects — known as “gain of function” research — intended to make pathogens more deadly or more transmissible.

In 2011, an outcry arose when laboratories in Wisconsin and the Netherlands revealed that they were trying to mutate the lethal H5N1 bird flu in ways that would let it jump easily between ferrets, which are used to model human flu susceptibility.

Tensions rose in 2014 after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention accidentally exposed lab workers to anthrax and shipped a deadly flu virus to a laboratory that had asked for a benign strain.

That year, the N.I.H. also found vials of smallpox in a freezer that had been forgotten for 50 years.

When the moratorium was imposed, it effectively halted 21 projects, Dr. Collins said. In the three years since, the N.I.H. created exceptions that funded ten of those projects. Five were flu-related, and five concerned the MERS virus.

That virus is a coronavirus carried by camels that has
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since it was discovered in 2012, and has killed about a third of them, according to the World Health Organization.

Critics of such research had mixed reactions. “There’s less than meets the eye,” said Richard H. Ebright, a molecular biologist and bioweapons expert at Rutgers University.

Although he applauded the requirement for review panels, he said he would prefer independent panels to government ones.

He also wanted the rules to cover all such research rather than just government-funded work, as well as clearer minimum safety standards and a mandate that the benefits “outweigh” the risks instead of merely “justifying” them.

Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist who directs the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard School of Public Health, called review panels “a small step forward.”

Recent disease-enhancing experiments, he said, “have given us some modest scientific knowledge and done almost nothing to improve our preparedness for pandemics, and yet risked creating an accidental pandemic.”

Therefore, he said, he hoped the panels would turn down such work.

Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said he believed some laboratories could do such work safely, but wanted restrictions on what they could publish.

“If someone finds a way to make the Ebola virus more dangerous, I don’t believe that should be available to anybody off the street who could use it for nefarious purposes,” he said.

“Physicists long ago learned to distinguish between what can be publicly available and what’s classified,” he added, referring to nuclear weapons research. “We want to keep some of this stuff on a need-to-know basis.”

A version of this article appears in print on Dec. 20, 2017, Section A, Page 12 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Lifts Ban On Modifying Lethal Viruses.
And Shanghai is the country's financial capital, and Beijing's its political. An outbreak in Shanghai and a transport via high speed link to Beijing would have much greater effect than in Wuhan.
But hey since, the US is cultivating viruses like every darn nation in the world that has the capabilities to do so, they must be behind this.
 

Gatekeeper

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It is Bannon and that kind of people I referred to as 'Muricans. As against Americans who are not of that kind of mindset.

I had said before.

"I do have many American friends with whom I have great respect for their decency and honesty.

There too, are Americans I know who are not in that category. Willing to nuke China if China do not buy enough soya beans or nuke China if China buy too much soya beans and who think it a great game to bully China just for the fun of it. And generally think China got 200++ nukes and easy meat to be crushed by mighty USA carriers and must kowtow to threats and provocations made by them or be nuked.

Those I termed as 'Muricans as against the vast majority of Americans who are generous and kind hearted, intelligent and respectful and want only peace."

But the scary part is that even if much, or most Americans are Americans, it will only take a handful of 'Muricans to hijack agenda and lead the other Americans by their nose to do the bidding of those 'Muricans.

And at the moment, the Muricans are running the white house, and this is the scary part, the white house absolutly depends on the voter base of the Muricans. The likes of decent republicans like John McCan, Rommey. Etc. Have been marginalised!
 

Gatekeeper

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What's this chicken neck bitching at? I couldn't finish the whole thing because it's too annoying to listen to all this sass about how much of a hard time it is for hospitals to be overwhelmed and I cannot connect that to his initial statement that he's not even scared of death so he's not scared of the CCP. I think I stopped and called it right at when he nearly cried talking about how scary it is to see ambulances driving around at night... Couldn't find a point in his estrogen-induced oral diarrhea.

He is basically anti-CCP, and clearly using this opportunity to air his grievances. And we are going to get that. But what's funny is that people sees this as another China is crap. And people dissatisfied with the poltical system. Blah blah.....

I mean, we see people mouthing off about Trump all the time, but somehow thus doesn't equate to people are dissatisfied with American poltical system!
 

s002wjh

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@s002wjh watch these to balance your views
i'm sub to his channel so i do watch his video when i'm not busy, but thing is there are various different opinions, two side of a coin. just have to respect that, even when its not align with your view. i mean ppl bitch or pro trump all the time here, but thats their opinion.
 

Chish

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I disagree 2 ppl doesn't represent US, it has to do with right wing in control right now. There are plenty good and rational ppl in US. I know for a fact several Chinese visa holder parents visiting visa got rejected they wrote letter to the local US representative. The representative office wrote a letter to US Embassy in Beijing, their parents visa got approved in few week
I am only referring to the government of the Trump presidency which is or had been depending on the advices of Wilber Ross, Stephen Miller, Paula White, Peter Navarro, John Bolton & Steve Bannon. Hope this made it clearer. I am not refering to the us government civil service.
 
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