Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)

adiru

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Also, I remember youtube running a series about China ghost cities due to over construction and too much infrastructure investment, if this was true, then push comes to shove couldnt they move all the infected people to one new city?
 

Blitzo

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Isnt twitter blocked in China? How are they posting videos to it

People do have VPN and there are lots of Chinese users and social media personalities with a presence on Twitter and Youtube as well.


I can verify from relatives. Cities in Henan are already doing it. Uncle says even many workplaces are closed in Zhengzhou. We don't know the magnitude tho.

I can imagine it is happening, but in general I think we should avoid posting footage and photos whose attribution to current events cannot be verified by us.

There's already been a few instances when photos or videos initially posted by some people have been falsely attributed (sometimes with malicious intent) to be relevant to this current ongoing event.
 

adiru

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That's a mortality rate of 2.9%, as opposed to SARS with 8,098 cases and 774 deaths, a mortality rate of 9.6%. How is it far worse than SARS? The media is far more incentivized to fearmonger now than during SARS, because China wasn't a competitor to America in 2003. It's slander, innuendo, and spreading FUD to serve a geopolitical agenda, plain and simple.

That's not to say it isn't a serious cause for concern, but it's being blown way out of proportion. Contrast this with something that should be taken seriously but isn't: influenza. Influenza hospitalizes between 140,000 to 810,000, and kills between 12,000 and 61,000 annually.
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Where's the hysteria?

To be so called devil advocate and answer rhetorically, I think mostly its combination of some people dont understand why seal off almost 60 million people, 15 plus cities, if it wasnt that bad, plus a lot of commenters on esp western sites say that "add three zeros" to the end of the death number to get a true count etc. Essentially a combination of distrust coupled with the shock and awe factor of unprecedented quarintinee of so many cities etc, they express they feel like its orders of magnitude worse than what they are being told or the current info released. For example infowars alex jones saying the fatality rate is 50 percent and R0 of more than 5.
 

Blitzo

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To be so called devil advocate and answer rhetorically, I think mostly its combination of some people dont understand why seal off almost 60 million people, 15 plus cities, if it wasnt that bad, plus a lot of commenters on esp western sites say that "add three zeros" to the end of the death number to get a true count etc. Essentially a combination of distrust coupled with the shock and awe factor of unprecedented quarintinee of so many cities etc, they express they feel like its orders of magnitude worse than what they are being told or the current info released. For example infowars alex jones saying the fatality rate is 50 percent and R0 of more than 5.

I think his question was rhetorical in nature.

I myself would dare to say that I have higher expectations for people on SDF to be better at this than the general populace on the internet at critically assessing information and avoid exaggeration or panic.


If PLA watching has taught me anything in my real life, it is to be OKAY with saying "we don't know yet" and being comfortable with it, without having to fill in that hole with speculation, consumption of unverified news/photos/videos, or trending towards sensationalism.
 

F4U Corsair

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It seems to me there is some kind of attempt to apply a full court press against China and it's allies with recent events, such as the HK protests, Iran/Iraq assassinations, Bolivia coup.... etc.

One way and possibly the best way to take the pressure off and even hit back covertly if not overtly against this would be for China to resume one brilliant thing it did a while back, and that would be to resume the so far one time event of China's version of IWZ
 

localizer

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People do have VPN and there are lots of Chinese users and social media personalities with a presence on Twitter and Youtube as well.




I can imagine it is happening, but in general I think we should avoid posting footage and photos whose attribution to current events cannot be verified by us.

There's already been a few instances when photos or videos initially posted by some people have been falsely attributed (sometimes with malicious intent) to be relevant to this current ongoing event.


Yeah I got ya, I couldnt see the indlammatory videos he posted until after I posted the comments D:
 

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Prof Neil Ferguson, a public health expert at Imperial College, said his “best guess” was that there were 100,000 affected by the virus even though there are only 2,000 confirmed cases so far.

Coronavirus: 100,000 may already be infected, experts warn
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There are two concurrent published research on the transmissibility of 2019-nCoV. The Lancaster University research I have already posted the link. The other is headed by Professor Ferguson. The three published reports from Imperial College can be found from the following link
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The net takeaway is that the prognosis of some of the experts is that containment may not be feasible.

Containing new coronavirus may not be feasible, experts say, as they warn of possible sustained global spread
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A negative view of the situation is also expressed through the statements of Chinese officials.

Coronavirus spread accelerating in China, says Xi Jinping
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Coronavirus's ability to spread getting stronger, China suggests
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localizer

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Like we’ve been saying here, if only few dozen die per 100k infected that’s not too far off from a bad flu season

it would be interesting to know how the seasonal flu rates are affected by current containment methods
 
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1300 dead from the common flu, if this happened in China they would be having a field day. What's even more depressing is that this tragedy was in part made possible by the ignorant and the malicious (anti vaxxers).
 

adiru

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1300 dead from the common flu, if this happened in China they would be having a field day. What's even more depressing is that this tragedy was in part made possible by the ignorant and the malicious (anti vaxxers).
its 8000, 1300 is just kids, 8000 is adults as well
 
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