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Coronavirus 2019-2020 thread (no unsubstantiated rumours!)
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solarz
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Some purported insider experience circulating on WeChat:
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My mother, my sister, my father were infected, my sister was 90 better, my father was 80 better, my mother was serious, but the hospital could not accept, my mothers oxygen saturation was 91,this shows that the lung function is healthy, but there is infection, about 60 people will stay in the hospital emergency room bed oxygen, there is an 80-year-old father is 55,during oxygen inhalation, we spent two days in the hospital from morning to night, with a sea of people, both patients and family members, and i estimate that more than 1 million people were infected.However, it is not very terrible, people with good physique can resist the past, people with basic diseases will hang up, the doctor suggested that we go home for isolation treatment,buy a blood oxygen saturation detector, buy a home oxygen machine, eat more fruits and vegetables, increase resistance, my mother has high blood pressure and diabetes,the doctor said : take medicine for hypertension and diabetes, do a good job of protection and isolation, and do not go to the hospital for further infusions to avoid cross-infection.In the past two days, we have to wait three hours to see a doctor after registration and three hours for an infusion after the medicine is prescribed.It was scary, but not so scary.
There are very few doctors and nurses, and the doctors said that their own doctors in this hospital have been diagnosed and there are no beds to live in.After the diagnosis, we were all surprised that some of the patients did not have a fever, they contracted the lung, and my mother did not have a fever, her temperature was 36 degrees, so there should be more people infected.
There are both right and wrongs in what the government says, and there are both right and wrongs in the rumors. There is no test reagent, too many people, it is impossible to use reagents, the doctor said the reagent did not arrive, even their vice president are infected, are diagnosed with CT
The current situation is very tragic, it is estimated that the whole country can not escape the past, the old people must be at home!!! Its the same everywhere! Its already spreading!
But not easy to hang, unless you have a basic disease, the doctor first asked the basic disease, High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, liver disease, chronic stomach disease and so on, and then look at the basic data, like my mothers basic data are good people are recommended to go home to take medicine, No injection, because there is no specific drug, can only increase resistance, HCv protein is to increase resistance, ICU patients will use, outside can not buy.
The disease has one thing in common. Ive seen all my patients talk about one thing in common. No matter whether she had a fever or not, her bones were cold at night, and a little girl in her early twenties said she had never been so cold in her life.
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My mother, my sister, my father were infected, my sister was 90 better, my father was 80 better, my mother was serious, but the hospital could not accept, my mothers oxygen saturation was 91,this shows that the lung function is healthy, but there is infection, about 60 people will stay in the hospital emergency room bed oxygen, there is an 80-year-old father is 55,during oxygen inhalation, we spent two days in the hospital from morning to night, with a sea of people, both patients and family members, and i estimate that more than 1 million people were infected.However, it is not very terrible, people with good physique can resist the past, people with basic diseases will hang up, the doctor suggested that we go home for isolation treatment,buy a blood oxygen saturation detector, buy a home oxygen machine, eat more fruits and vegetables, increase resistance, my mother has high blood pressure and diabetes,the doctor said : take medicine for hypertension and diabetes, do a good job of protection and isolation, and do not go to the hospital for further infusions to avoid cross-infection.In the past two days, we have to wait three hours to see a doctor after registration and three hours for an infusion after the medicine is prescribed.It was scary, but not so scary.
There are very few doctors and nurses, and the doctors said that their own doctors in this hospital have been diagnosed and there are no beds to live in.After the diagnosis, we were all surprised that some of the patients did not have a fever, they contracted the lung, and my mother did not have a fever, her temperature was 36 degrees, so there should be more people infected.
There are both right and wrongs in what the government says, and there are both right and wrongs in the rumors. There is no test reagent, too many people, it is impossible to use reagents, the doctor said the reagent did not arrive, even their vice president are infected, are diagnosed with CT
The current situation is very tragic, it is estimated that the whole country can not escape the past, the old people must be at home!!! Its the same everywhere! Its already spreading!
But not easy to hang, unless you have a basic disease, the doctor first asked the basic disease, High blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, liver disease, chronic stomach disease and so on, and then look at the basic data, like my mothers basic data are good people are recommended to go home to take medicine, No injection, because there is no specific drug, can only increase resistance, HCv protein is to increase resistance, ICU patients will use, outside can not buy.
The disease has one thing in common. Ive seen all my patients talk about one thing in common. No matter whether she had a fever or not, her bones were cold at night, and a little girl in her early twenties said she had never been so cold in her life.
My mother, my sister, and my father are all infected. My sister is 90% better, my father is 80% better, my mother is more serious, but the hospital ca n’t accept it, and my mother ’s blood oxygen saturation is 91. People around 60 will stay in the hospital emergency room to inhale oxygen. There is an 80-year-old father who is 55. In the oxygen inhalation, we have been in the hospital for two days from morning to night. Family members, I estimate that the number of infected people is more than 1 million, but it is not terrible. People with good constitution can resist the past. People with underlying diseases will hang up. The doctor suggested that we go home for isolation and treatment and buy a blood oxygen saturation test. Instrument, buy a home oxygen generator, eat more fruits and vegetables, increase resistance, my mother still has high blood pressure to drink diabetes, the doctor said, take high blood pressure and diabetes medicine, take protection and isolation, do not go to the hospital to infusion Now, to avoid cross-infection, we have to wait three hours after seeing the doctor after registering. After the medicine is prescribed, we need to wait three hours for the infusion. Earlier, just lose Also got six more to go home, someone died, I have seen, the atmosphere is terrible, but not so terrible
There are very few doctors and nurses. The doctors say that their own doctors have confirmed the diagnosis and they have no beds. The nurses said that many nurses have resigned and she has not resigned. Please do n’t be demanding. It ’s useless to find people and relationships. More, we took my mother to the hospital to confirm that the disease was not the disease. After the diagnosis, we were surprised. Some of the diseases did not have a fever, they infected the lungs, my mother did not have a fever, the temperature was 36 degrees, so there should be Many people became infected and did n’t go to the hospital. This is why they closed the city.
What the government says is right or wrong, and rumors are right or wrong. There are no test reagents. Too many people cannot use the reagents. The doctor said that the reagents did not arrive and even their deputy directors were infected. They all used CT. Confirmed diagnosis
The current situation is very tragic. It is estimated that the whole country cannot escape. Older people must stay at home! !! !! Everywhere is the same! !! It has spread out! !! !! !! !!
But it ’s not easy to hang unless you have a basic disease. The doctor first asks about basic disease, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, liver disease, chronic stomach disease, etc. Then look at the basic data. Anyone like my mother who has basic data is OK It is recommended to go home to take medicine without injections, because there is no specific medicine, it can only increase resistance. Alanin is used to increase resistance. Patients in the intensive care unit will use it.
This disease has a common feature. I have seen all patients talking about one thing in common, that is, no matter whether they have a fever or not, their bones are cold at night and cold, and a young girl in her early twenties said that she has never been in her life. So cold
There are very few doctors and nurses. The doctors say that their own doctors have confirmed the diagnosis and they have no beds. The nurses said that many nurses have resigned and she has not resigned. Please do n’t be demanding. It ’s useless to find people and relationships. More, we took my mother to the hospital to confirm that the disease was not the disease. After the diagnosis, we were surprised. Some of the diseases did not have a fever, they infected the lungs, my mother did not have a fever, the temperature was 36 degrees, so there should be Many people became infected and did n’t go to the hospital. This is why they closed the city.
What the government says is right or wrong, and rumors are right or wrong. There are no test reagents. Too many people cannot use the reagents. The doctor said that the reagents did not arrive and even their deputy directors were infected. They all used CT. Confirmed diagnosis
The current situation is very tragic. It is estimated that the whole country cannot escape. Older people must stay at home! !! !! Everywhere is the same! !! It has spread out! !! !! !! !!
But it ’s not easy to hang unless you have a basic disease. The doctor first asks about basic disease, hypertension, diabetes, heart disease, liver disease, chronic stomach disease, etc. Then look at the basic data. Anyone like my mother who has basic data is OK It is recommended to go home to take medicine without injections, because there is no specific medicine, it can only increase resistance. Alanin is used to increase resistance. Patients in the intensive care unit will use it.
This disease has a common feature. I have seen all patients talking about one thing in common, that is, no matter whether they have a fever or not, their bones are cold at night and cold, and a young girl in her early twenties said that she has never been in her life. So cold
I would be very cautious regarding unverified "insider" claims as to what the situation is; and in particular if it is from patients themselves who may not have a good understanding of the medical terminology and overall medical process.
For example, a patient's own estimate of the total number of people that may be infected is not really useful.
A good example of a WeChat piece is this:
Using machine translation (cause it's a long piece), it provides some good medical advice.
Part II:
03
Don't believe in rumors
Don't be scared by the death figures. As a doctor, one day I don't see the death to the patient!
Every day in Wuhan, drunk driving, fighting, car accidents, domestic violence, drinking and drinking pancreatitis, putting fireworks to your eyes!
God, you just need to stay in the emergency department for a few days! Absolutely one million different ways to die. As doctors, we can only try our best not to let everyone not jump in line until the end of Yangshou.
However, it is a natural law that old people die, and those who die due to SARI are mainly the elderly, especially those with underlying diseases. They are indeed poorly immune to the virus and cannot survive the SARI attack.
But to be honest, even common flu can cause many deaths every year, and even viral myocarditis caused by flu often causes young people to die. Think of Mr. Ju Fazu, when he went out to the toilet and fell down, he left us forever
Don't be scared by the daily death numbers! !! !! !! !! !! This is the law of nature.
Even if it ’s not this SARI, there will be other diseases.
The reason you panic is because what Wuhan hasn't announced before is the daily deaths from car accidents, daily digestive tract bleeding deaths, daily deep vein thrombosis deaths ...
You will find that the mortality rate of SARI is really not high, even compared to other cardiovascular and cerebrovascular diseases that humans are exposed to (acute myocardial infarction, abdominal aortic aneurysm, aortic dissection, pulmonary embolism ...)
SARI's death is low.
So I really call on everyone now
If you are not uncomfortable, just rest at home honestly, brush up some seeds, do n’t believe in rumors
So much news online I tell you clearly that I believe in the government!
or
The information that I personally learned, such as what I saw with my own eyes, and what I heard with my own ears, was not because I was a little pink or Wu Mao, because it was what I heard, unless I saw it with my own eyes.
The official news is that the cost of trial and error is currently the lowest. Can everyone understand what I mean?
You believe other news may be even more unreliable. I am not saying that all unofficial news is rumor. But a lot of news is not what you think!
Many people have watched this video: You saw a person suddenly fall and then be taken away by someone wearing a gown. This kind of headless and tailless news can't explain any problems!
If someone really falls down suddenly, I think he should first consider the cardiovascular and cerebrovascular accident rather than the respiratory system. But the message that the production team and disseminators of the video want to convey really wants to tell everyone how terrible the current epidemic is. Although this is purely an inexplicable video to our professionals!
In the previous two days, some hospitals announced some atypical initial manifestations of SARI, including those of the digestive tract. After I read the thoughts at the time, the communicator was right, but this undoubtedly made the ordinary people, who were already astonished, more panic!
In this extraordinary period, people are surrounded by anxiety. All they can do is to constantly swipe their mobile phones, and to absorb the latest consultations from various sources without discrimination , so that the emotions of anxiety, doubt, anger, deception, anxiety, etc. are superimposed on each other. Amplification, which is medically called negative feedback .
I don't want to explain what negative feedback is, I just want you to think about it calmly. What is appetite, nausea, vomiting, poor appetite for diarrhea, this is the manifestation of countless diseases. There are only a few people in the middle who are really unfortunate to have SARI for those who start to feel upset and diarrhea as soon as they see this news. EXM, have you never had a diarrhea in your life? ? ?
If all the diarrhea, nausea and fever people come to the hospital to see a doctor, even if doctors across the country come to support, they can't finish it!
Everyone must believe that when you see a WeChat and a circle of friends. Nervousness and anxiety are planted in your heart. But the virus will never fly through your phone screen to infect you. So being vigilant does not mean despair!
In addition, you may also see a lot of videos of patients' collapse and despair and even medical staff's collapse. I fully believe in their true feelings and the pressure they have nowhere to release!
However, my personal feelings will not affect my judgment of the entire disease, that is, SARI is not a disease that is dead when there is no medicine, nor a disease that is 100% contagious when it is encountered. This is a controllable and preventable disease!
Although I completely think that the current organization is indeed a bit chaotic, all the communicators have intentionally or unintentionally aggravated the panic and the status quo has become even more uncontrollable. This is a vicious circle composed of frightened blindness and hysterical emotions!
Everyone must step out of this cycle and stop panic! Be alert!
The lesson for the citizens of Wuhan this time is that when the medical profession appealed to the outside world, everyone didn't care much. Use Wuhan's unique or cynical attitude unique to Hankou's team.
Now that the city has been closed, it has gone to the other extreme, with all kinds of rumors flying. I will not list them one by one. Because there are really countless, all kinds of panic treatments.
04
Some knowledge
Now please stop panic treatment
Listen to me.
If you have a fever but below 38 degrees
Look at the table below to determine if you are a mild patient
There is also a history of contact in Wuhan. I have either been to Wuhan, lived in Wuhan, or have been in contact with friends from Wuhan.
Please observe at home first. Sleep in different bedrooms with your family. The living room should be ventilated. Wash your hands frequently at home (500mg / L chlorine-containing disinfectant), even if you wear a mask at home!
For details, please refer to the following home isolation guide.
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If you really have more than 38 degrees consecutive days and have other symptoms.For example , fever, respiratory symptoms such as cough, shortness of breath, or diarrhea, go to the hospital immediately.
However, please fully protect your hands. It is best to use alcohol-based disinfectants to wash your hands frequently. When driving private cars, the vehicles must also be disinfected.
details as follows:
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Please take care of our medical staff
Just like taking care of yourself
Even if their attitude is not as good as you think
Please try to understand
Because the intensity and stress now make it impossible for everyone to keep smiling
Only before the physiological limit arrives
Do as much basic work as possible
Prepare for a long queue
Ready to drink
Don't care about other people's unreasonable
Line up as quietly as possible
Quiet queue to draw blood
Quiet line up for CT
Quietly line up for throat swabs, etc.
I didn't ask you to wait.
Nor did the government intentionally ask you to wait
Is this sudden illness
Under this sky
Everyone is a victim.
05
Write at the end
Finally, we must believe that the SARI virus is not a G virus. Everyone will not become a zombie, as long as it is not a zombie. Everyone must keep reason and calm and think about the problem with their heads. (Some people should spit to the doctors and tear the nurse's isolation gown to the same thing? I wonder if they have got any other virus and become zombies.)
To believe that Wuhan is not a raccoon city, the final result here is that we defeated the virus, not that the virus defeated us or that a nuclear bomb gave us the nation's people. There is no need to abandon us, and so many overseas compatriots are supporting us!
Whether it is one month, two months, or half a year, the epidemic always has one day, and summer in Wuhan always comes early and waits for the weather to warm.
The weather cleared and the epidemic dissipated. Everyone will relax and come out to visit the appointments as usual.
Continue to live here with the lessons and experiences we once had.
because
Wuhan
This is our own city
Hubei is where we were born and grown up in, and even buried in,
We live and work here
We have children here
We are here
Even if the world abandons us
We will not give up on ourselves! !! !! !!
Encourage with the kings! !! !! !! !! !!
Wuhan Union Medical College Doctor S
January 25, 2020 12:05
Imposing the current level of quarantine with the current populace/geography (which is progressively expanding in scope it seems) is already unprecedented historically in scale, and whose actual effectiveness will be unknown to science because there's been nothing like it in modern history.
What you're talking about is a multiple levels higher and would require multiple magnitudes more health resources and logistical resources.
At the population level they are talking about, it's impractical and likely impossible as well.
solarz
Brigadier
I think at this point, it's safe to say that the number of infections are far higher than the number of confirmed cases. We've seen people from Wuhan going to other countries and falling ill from the virus. Basic probability tells us that a significant portion of the city is likely infected.
That is both good news and bad news. The bad news is that the infection is a lot more widespread than the numbers indicate, but the good news is that the death rate is also a lot lower.
I think it is very likely (guaranteed, actually) that there are more people infected than currently diagnosed, simply because some will be asymptomatic, and also because resources are probably strained, and the tests are probably not keeping up with demand.
BUT that doesn't mean we should take the impressions of a supposed patient's estimate of how many people may have the disease based on their own anecdotes.
We can come to the conclusion that the number of infected individuals is greater than currently diagnosed through our own logic.
Spreading around number estimates without some kind of serious analysis to back it up -- from a source that may or may not even be a patient in the first place -- IMO is potentially not good at this stage.