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antiterror13

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Interesting that the deal signed by Trump and Liu ..... not Mnuchin and Liu

Why Trump would do that ..... embarrassing to Trump that Xi didn't come
 

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Lol TSMC not making chips in other places is more due to fear of espionage than operating costs.
If TSMC has a factory up and running in USA producing top chips for the Defense industries, it will be at the mercy of Trump America. Trump not only want to win big, he also want his competitors dead. TSMC will loss all leverage and forced not to deal with Hwawei. By invoking National Security Act, TSMC will loss control of it's technology and the factory. It is all about being America first.
 

antiterror13

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If TSMC has a factory up and running in USA producing top chips for the Defense industries, it will be at the mercy of Trump America. Trump not only want to win big, he also want his competitors dead. TSMC will loss all leverage and forced not to deal with Hwawei. By invoking National Security Act, TSMC will loss control of it's technology and the factory. It is all about being America first.

Even if TSMC wanted to open a factory in the US, it would take at least 5 years to be operational from they decided to do that
 
Yesterday at 9:51 PM
wow,
Phase one deal should be cherished
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if interested
also important from propaganda perspective is this press release:
Phase-one trade deal well addresses concerns of both sides, says vice premier
Xinhua| 2020-01-16 14:45:42
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The China-U.S. phase-one economic and trade agreement has to a large extent addressed the concerns of both sides, Chinese Vice Premier Liu He said here Wednesday.

Liu, also a member of the Political Bureau of the Communist Party of China Central Committee and chief of the Chinese side of the China-U.S. comprehensive economic dialogue, made the remarks during a briefing with Chinese press.

Asked about the main content of the deal inked by him and U.S. President Donald Trump at the White House, Liu said that based on the principle of equality and mutual respect, China and the United States have agreed to deepen two-way trade cooperation and expand trade volume in such sectors as agricultural products, manufactured goods, energy and services, so as to better meet people's growing needs for a better life.

The two sides have also agreed to further broaden market access, including further opening up of each other's financial markets, in order to provide more market opportunities for both Chinese and U.S. businesses, he added.

The two countries are committed to continuously improving their business environment, and have pledged to enhance intellectual property rights protection, encourage technological cooperation based on willingness and market conditions so as to better promote fair competition and stimulate the vitality of innovation and development of market players, said the vice premier.

Liu said the U.S. side has pledged to cancel some of its additional tariffs on Chinese products, marking a policy change from hiking to cutting additional tariffs.

Meanwhile, China and the United States will establish a bilateral assessment and dispute-resolving arrangements to address their economic and trade differences in a timely and effective manner, Liu said.

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China's staying busy ("China shall" 105 hits, "United States shall" 5 hits). Here's the part about the $200 billion purchases:
1. During the two-year period from January 1, 2020 through December 31, 2021, China shall ensure that purchases and imports into China from the United States of the manufactured goods, agricultural goods, energy products, and services identified in Annex 6.1 exceed the corresponding 2017 baseline amount by no less than $200 billion. Specifically, China shall ensure that:

(a) For the category of manufactured goods identified in Annex 6.1, no less than $32.9 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2020, and no less than $44.8 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2021;

(b) For the category of agricultural goods identified in Annex 6.1, no less than $12.5 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2020, and no less than $19.5 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2021;

(c) For the category of energy products identified in Annex 6.1, no less than $18.5 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2020, and no less than $33.9 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amountis purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2021; and

(d) For the category of services identified in Annex 6.1, no less than $12.8 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China fromthe United States in calendar year 2020, and no less than $25.1 billion above the corresponding 2017 baseline amount is purchased and imported into China from the United States in calendar year 2021.

Clearly China is winning, as anyone who reads this thread could have predicted. Looking forward to more winning in the coming phases of the deal.
 

Xizor

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China's staying busy ("China shall" 105 hits, "United States shall" 5 hits). Here's the part about the $200 billion purchases:


Clearly China is winning, as anyone who reads this thread could have predicted. Looking forward to more winning in the coming phases of the deal.
Very interesting point.
But if one took the time to read all the "China Shall..." statements ,one would realize that it is including other parties/influences in the decision making process. Like the World Health organization and internal food safety departments.

Do read the final statement for each bullet list/ number list of "China shall" statements as it ends with the final buying decision subject to Chinese inspections/regulations and critical evaluation for quality and holds the authority to deny the shipments based on these. The tone is very similar to every category that involves Agri products (poultry, aquatics and feed):
 

Xizor

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But the part i'm most interested in is and always has been FINANCIAL SERVICES.
I am tempted to copy the relevant details of this deal that pertains to Financial market/services , Technology Transfers and Macroeconomic policy as a post as I think it would have big implications going forward into the next decade.
 

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Gatekeeper

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I see our Popeye posted all the good photos of the trade deal over on China daily photo thread.

So I'll just post the two highlights. After making a speech on the domestic impeachment front in front of the waiting Liu He. Making him wait over half an hour. (Rather rude, I think). Then it's no surprise the hand shake didn't go according to plan.

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Lol!
 

vincent

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The most important sentence on purchases of American goods in the
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The Parties acknowledge that purchases will be made at market prices based on commercial considerations and that market conditions, particularly in the case of agricultural goods, may dictate the timing of purchases within any given year.

Don't think the agreement will last a year. China probably will just sit on her asses throughout the year
 
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