Hong-Kong Protests

Nutrient

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I made none of the claims you are replying to. My post has been taken completely out of context since being quoted to this thread.

Nutrient has also only partially quoted from my post therefore further skewing the intended message that was not even intended for this thread. It is also aimed at promoting maintaining certain standards of discussions within the forum rather than commenting on the issues we are discussing.


Here is your full comment (which used to be here but for some reason was moved to "india and austrailia are crumbling?"):

More to the point no domestic difficulties of any nation should be a cause for celebration.

Similarly, despite the common interest on military affairs shared by members of this forum, we should not advocate violence, suffering or war against any party. This is an international community with no allegiance to any nation or political causes.

Recent discussion on Hong Kong has been particularly upsetting. Being from Hong Kong myself who is dismayed by the ongoing protests and growing violence on part of the protesters, it has been surprising how members of this forum treat Hong Kong as simply a battleground for foreign interests and suggesting that Hong Kong should just be left to crash and burn. Hong Kong is not just a city, it is my home and I do not appreciate the ease with which the distanced, armchair analysts who we believe ourselves to be, throw words around without thinking.

All territories, all nations are home to people. And whilst discussion on the geopolitical issues surrounding them must be had, we should also all approach these topics with professionalism and respect.

(Emphasis added).
I will let others judge whether I was misquoting you (I was responding to the emphasized part) or whether you did not write what you now claim to mean.
 

Sunbud

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Here is your full comment (which used to be here but for some reason was moved to "india and austrailia are crumbling?"):



(Emphasis added).
I will let others judge whether I was misquoting you (I was responding to the emphasized part) or whether you did not write what you now claim to mean.
No, my comment was always on the Australia and India is crumbling thread. It was never written here. Hence why it is out of context here. I was confused as to why it was quoted in this thread when I first saw the notification.
 

Sunbud

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Hong Kong Basic Law needs to be backed up by a treason law. No other country in the world (Hong Kong is not a country, just has a separate legal system) would allow such actions and openly engaging with rival countries for influence without consequence.

I doubt such a law would be easily passed through the legislative council though.
 

Nutrient

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No, my comment was always on the Australia and India is crumbling thread. It was never written here. Hence why it is out of context here. I was confused as to why it was quoted in this thread when I first saw the notification.

That is not true. I read your comment here -- that is the only reason I was able to see it, as I was completely unaware of the Australia/India thread.
 

Nutrient

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As someone from HK, I want to see the city being saved, unfortunately I don't see any other way but involving the national people's Congress and having them change the law.

Congress is the only authority that will be able to roll back Carrie's decision on the extradition bill, as well as broadening it into national security issue. It's can also order the supreme Court to investigate justice abuse in HK. The actual fighting power of the violent rioters is nil, they wouldn't even be able to fight against a western style police force. The only reason they can inflict property damage is because the police doesn't shoot back. China could park a few navy ships off the coast and there would be nothing to do for them to put up white flags even if there were 10x more of them.

You could be right, that Hong Kong cannot heal itself. But that doesn't mean the central government necessarily needs to break the 1C2S barrier and intervene. To violate One Country, Two Systems would be to do what the cockroaches want, and I doubt that Beijing would fall for it.

The solution, then, is exactly to respect 1C2S: give Hong Kong the freedom to ruin itself if that is what it wants. There is absolutely zero chance of Hong Kong's infection spreading to the mainland, so letting the island rot in its own arrogance is quite feasible.



Unfortunately, there are many areas on the mainland which would benefit from dividing up the money if HK becomes China's detroit.

It's called competition. Hong Kong wants pure capitalism -- fine, the mainland can show capitalism's consequences.


HK screwed itself by being too distant from the political process, and now there's no political support.

No, HK screwed itself by allowing greedy oligarchs to make incredibly stupid and short-sighted blunders.
 

KYli

Brigadier
Hong Kong Basic Law needs to be backed up by a treason law. No other country in the world (Hong Kong is not a country, just has a separate legal system) would allow such actions and openly engaging with rival countries for influence without consequence.

I doubt such a law would be easily passed through the legislative council though.

The pro-Beijing legislators have the votes but they are too spineless to do it.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Surely any treason laws would fall under national security, and be outside the jurisdiction of local HK legislators to start with?

If Beijing wanted a new treason act enacted, it could do so at a stroke, but the point is that too many people in HK has already been brainwashed and radicalised by western backed anti-China forces. So it is the enacting of such a law that will be the real challenge.

Simply put, too many in HK suffer from the ridiculous double think of believing every insidious piece of fake news about China, yet somehow also think they can spit in Beijing’s face and openly ferment rebellion on Chinese territory with impunity.

If even a fraction of the fake news they peddle about China are true, HK’s fatal accidents and suicide statistics would have gone through the roof in recent years as Chinese security forces go to work to clean house.

But alas Beijing isn’t anything like what western fake news portrays, which is why all these willing western sock-puppets are still alive to spew their nonsense.

If Beijing comes in with some heavy handed response, it would play right into the hands of western agitators, as China would have to round up and send hundreds of thousands of snowflakes to de-radicalisation and re-integration programmes.

Better to let the rioters continue to drive HK’s economy and property prices down into the gutters.

If the idiot masses still support these rioters come 2047, China’s patriotic rich can come in and snap up all the anti-Beijing districts’ property at bargain basement prices, and evict the lot of them. If they riot, the PAP will give them a real taste of how law enforcement works, and there won’t be foreign judges to release them en mass either.

In the meantime, what Chinese security forces should be done is making a comprehensive list of the rioters, and blacklist them and their entire families from holding any government jobs and having any business opportunities with mainland companies.
 

supersnoop

Major
Registered Member
View attachment 56159

Apparently this is not a real gun. Perhaps our residence gun expert can confirm this is so.

In any case, where in the world can one carry out a large imitation firearm in public? I would imagine he would have been shot in London, or anywhere in the west by now! So much for "lack of freedom" they keep harping on about! With stupidity like this, maybe they should have their freedom curtailed!

Anyway rant over. Merry Christmas everyone!

Lol, looks like the same LMG I posted weeks ago.
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supersnoop

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How many people actually want HK to collapse? I don’t think people WANT this, but it’s like a terminal disease, what can be done?

A large segment of the population supports destroying businesses that support the police/government or have ties to mainland China.

People having dim sum suddenly being subject to thugs yelling “F your mother” and smashing the windows and lights up with hammers. It is ridiculous, and should not happen in civilized countries

Worse yet, many of these acts are being committed by teenagers. Parents taking their kids to these rallies to radicalize them, if the parents aren’t doing that, then plenty of teachers pick up the slack.

The only solution is tough medicine, but I think many of the posters think that will exacerbate the problem, so you let them (HK) dig their own hole (or fill it back up should the pro-mainland faction ever grow in strength).
 
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