Hong-Kong Protests

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
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Apparently this is not a real gun. Perhaps our residence gun expert can confirm this is so.

In any case, where in the world can one carry out a large imitation firearm in public? I would imagine he would have been shot in London, or anywhere in the west by now! So much for "lack of freedom" they keep harping on about! With stupidity like this, maybe they should have their freedom curtailed!

Anyway rant over. Merry Christmas everyone!
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
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Apparently this is not a real gun. Perhaps our residence gun expert can confirm this is so.

In any case, where in the world can one carry out a large imitation firearm in public? I would imagine he would have been shot in London, or anywhere in the west by now! So much for "lack of freedom" they keep harping on about! With stupidity like this, maybe they should have their freedom curtailed!

Anyway rant over. Merry Christmas everyone!
Merry Xmas.
The birthday of Ancient god Mithras. All be well.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Sorry guys. Meant to stay away from SDF to be with family over Christmas. But just received this, and felt I had to share in case the thugs manipulate the video to make it look like the police pushed him over on to the floor below!

Sorry guys. It keeps saying the file is too large?!
Ok, doing it through facebook, hope you don't need to register to see it.

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And photo after he jumped!


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Sorry guys. Meant to stay away from SDF to be with family over Christmas. But just received this, and felt I had to share in case the thugs manipulate the video to make it look like the police pushed him over on to the floor below!

Sorry guys. It keeps saying the file is too large?!
Ok, doing it through facebook, hope you don't need to register to see it.

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!



And photo after he jumped!


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How do you spell idiot !!
 

Nutrient

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Recent discussion on Hong Kong has been particularly upsetting. Being from Hong Kong myself who is dismayed by the ongoing protests and growing violence on part of the protesters, it has been surprising how members of this forum treat Hong Kong as simply a battleground for foreign interests and suggesting that Hong Kong should just be left to crash and burn. Hong Kong is not just a city, it is my home and I do not appreciate the ease with which the distanced, armchair analysts who we believe ourselves to be, throw words around without thinking.

Hong Kong is under One Country, Two Systems. So the island is completely free to ruin itself if that is what its people want. You think 1C2S is all upside for the island? Welcome to one of the downsides. If you are pro-Beijing, then it is up to YOU to stop the violence and convince the other Hong Kongers to want Beijing.

Another downside is the rewarding of Macau. That city has wanted a financial industry for a long time; the casinos make a lot of money, so a financial center is a logical next step. Beijing has prevented this, as it would compete with Hong Kong. Similarly with Shenzhen. The central government has been doing HK quite a lot of favors over the decades. However, with the recent riots -- and especially with the recent election -- some citizens have been saying loudly "we don't want the locusts or their favors". The permission for Macau to establish a financial center competing with Hong Kong was Beijing's way of saying to the protesters, "Okay, have it your way". If you don't want this, fix it yourself. In 1C2S, you have some responsibilities too.
 
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Sunbud

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Registered Member
Hong Kong is under One Country, Two Systems. So the island is completely free to ruin itself if that is what its people want. You think 1C2S is all upside for the island? Welcome to one of the downsides. If you are pro-Beijing, then it is up to YOU to stop the violence and convince the other Hong Kongers to want Beijing.

Another downside is the rewarding of Macau. That city has wanted a financial industry for a long time; the casinos make a lot of money, so a financial center is a logical next step. Beijing has prevented this, as it would compete with Hong Kong. Similarly with Shenzhen. The central government has been doing HK quite a lot of favors over the decades. However, with the recent riots -- and especially with the recent election -- some citizens have been saying loudly "we don't want the locusts or their favors". The permission for Macau to establish a financial center competing with Hong Kong was Beijing's way of saying to the protesters, "Okay, have it your way". If you don't want this, fix it yourself. In 1C2S, you have some responsibilities too.
I made none of the claims you are replying to. My post has been taken completely out of context since being quoted to this thread.

Nutrient has also only partially quoted from my post therefore further skewing the intended message that was not even intended for this thread. It is also aimed at promoting maintaining certain standards of discussions within the forum rather than commenting on the issues we are discussing.

See this thread for the original post and context https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/india-and-australia-are-crumbling.t8651/#post-582462

Also refer to this reply in this thread.

Don't get me wrong, as a resident of Hong Kong I am fiercely proud to be Chinese. The exploits, lies, back stabbing and frankly traitorous actions that protesters are undertaking are harmful to China and frankly naive and selfish; completely disregarding the reality of Hong Kong's colonial past and China's humiliation by Western powers in the past 200-300 years and the progress which China has made to better the life of hundreds of millions through sacrifice and determination.

However the point of my post was not directed at the protestors or these real-world affairs. My post was directed at members of this forum when tackling and discussing such affairs. Ensuring that we maintain a certain objective and professional standard without succumbing too much our emotions (some emotion is important). Protestors and protest sympathisers may be bandying empty and foolish words, but we should as an established forum be better than them.
 
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Hong Kong is under One Country, Two Systems. So the island is completely free to ruin itself if that is what its people want. You think 1C2S is all upside for the island? Welcome to one of the downsides. If you are pro-Beijing, then it is up to YOU to stop the violence and convince the other Hong Kongers to want Beijing.

Another downside is the rewarding of Macau. That city has wanted a financial industry for a long time; the casinos make a lot of money, so a financial center is a logical next step. Beijing has prevented this, as it would compete with Hong Kong. Similarly with Shenzhen. The central government has been doing HK quite a lot of favors over the decades. However, with the recent riots -- and especially with the recent election -- some citizens have been saying loudly "we don't want the locusts or their favors". The permission for Macau to establish a financial center competing with Hong Kong was Beijing's way of saying to the protesters, "Okay, have it your way". If you don't want this, fix it yourself. In 1C2S, you have some responsibilities too.

Agree with your assessment.

A significant portion of Hong Kong has willingly allowed itself to be a pawns of foreign interests and this is not due to any treatment from members of this forum. Sorry to say that if Hong Kong people wants desperately to crash and burn, nothing we say here can prevent this. If not the intent, it is really up to people of HK to take initiative to avoid this.
 

Biscuits

Major
Registered Member
As someone from HK, I want to see the city being saved, unfortunately I don't see any other way but involving the national people's Congress and having them change the law.

Congress is the only authority that will be able to roll back Carrie's decision on the extradition bill, as well as broadening it into national security issue. It's can also order the supreme Court to investigate justice abuse in HK. The actual fighting power of the violent rioters is nil, they wouldn't even be able to fight against a western style police force. The only reason they can inflict property damage is because the police doesn't shoot back. China could park a few navy ships off the coast and there would be nothing to do for them to put up white flags even if there were 10x more of them.

Unfortunately, there are many areas on the mainland which would benefit from dividing up the money if HK becomes China's detroit. HK screwed itself by being too distant from the political process, and now there's no political support.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
If China is afraid of Western sanctions, the only way to avoid them is to let Hong Kong wither away. I'm always reading comments from Hong Kongers how they think Hong Kong is that important to China that China will eventually submit. That's their entire gambit. China isn't the US where one constituency in a democracy, farmers, and their only $20 billion dollar slither trumps the over $21 trillion dollar US economy. When the ultimate goal is declaring independence why would China submit? China can chose not to let Hong Kong be the middle man and go somewhere else. There was an article where the EU warned China that any other place than Hong Kong will not work for them. If they want to make money from China, they'll go where China tells them. And that's why China is in the position of power. Losing Hong Kong to independence where they'll probably invite China's historic foreign oppressors to station their armies out of spite or spend the money that's it'll cost to move China's business end somewhere else? Which one is the more reasonable logical choice?
 
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