Espionage involving China

Gatekeeper

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I don't know whether to put this here or over Hong Kong thread. So I'll put it on here!

One of many CIA operative caught in Hong Kong. Look at his name! You can't make it up, oh he did! LolFB_IMG_1574518227499.jpg
 
I don't know whether to put this here or over Hong Kong thread. So I'll put it on here!

One of many CIA operative caught in Hong Kong. Look at his name! You can't make it up, oh he did! LolView attachment 55472
ironically, I searched google with
nicole+kidman+cia+hong+kong
to get as #1 hit (says Updated: 01:09 GMT, 23 November 2019)
Ex-CIA officer gets 19 years in prison for selling secrets to China and betraying the names of US agents
  • Jerry Chun Shing Lee, 55, was sentenced on Friday by a federal judge
  • Former CIA case agent sold China the names of sources for $840,000
  • Lee pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage in May
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LOL down that page there's

anyway Gate. what's the source of your picture
and the link to the story of your "One of many CIA operative caught in Hong Kong."
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Gatekeeper

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ironically, I searched google with
nicole+kidman+cia+hong+kong
to get as #1 hit (says Updated: 01:09 GMT, 23 November 2019)
Ex-CIA officer gets 19 years in prison for selling secrets to China and betraying the names of US agents
  • Jerry Chun Shing Lee, 55, was sentenced on Friday by a federal judge
  • Former CIA case agent sold China the names of sources for $840,000
  • Lee pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage in May
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LOL down that page there's

anyway Gate. what's the source of your picture and the link to the story of your "One of many CIA operative caught in Hong Kong."
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siegecrossbow

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Local police in China claims that Wang Liqiang, the alleged spy, is actually a criminal indicted on several accounts of fraud.
 

ougoah

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But the government would discredit him if he were a spy. We can't take any of this at face value. The guy could also be intentionally planted as a disinfo agent to feed false information and see how Australia responds. The CCP discrediting him will add to this illusion. Or he could be a genuine scammer and liar. This also works.

What is truly unlikely is him being a spy. Since CCP is supposedly capable of performing murder on foreign soil (like every other major country is capable of) then what makes him so safe even if he is under watch for now? How about friends and family? I doubt CCP will bother to question anyone except direct relatives and even for a defector, not sure if these "Communist regimes" actually still take the lives of the relatives of defectors. Victor Belenko's family weren't touched if I recall correctly. There were another set of Soviet spies who defected to Australia in the past I think and their families were reunited after the Soviet Union went kaput. Can't say that's true for North Korea though but since defectors are plenty, you'd think they'd have a think about family especially east asian ones.

I'm going to go with liar, double agent, or western shill planted to create a narrative of China's supposed "takeover" of Australian politics and economy. CCP trying to insert influence is a sure thing and has been happening for years, but calling it a takeover is fear mongering. Key word here is trying. Trying and failing because it's not that easy for an obvious foreigner to be pulling the strings anywhere without overpaying and benefiting the local power holders anyway.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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But the government would discredit him if he were a spy. We can't take any of this at face value. The guy could also be intentionally planted as a disinfo agent to feed false information and see how Australia responds. The CCP discrediting him will add to this illusion. Or he could be a genuine scammer and liar. This also works.

What is truly unlikely is him being a spy. Since CCP is supposedly capable of performing murder on foreign soil (like every other major country is capable of) then what makes him so safe even if he is under watch for now? How about friends and family? I doubt CCP will bother to question anyone except direct relatives and even for a defector, not sure if these "Communist regimes" actually still take the lives of the relatives of defectors. Victor Belenko's family weren't touched if I recall correctly. There were another set of Soviet spies who defected to Australia in the past I think and their families were reunited after the Soviet Union went kaput. Can't say that's true for North Korea though but since defectors are plenty, you'd think they'd have a think about family especially east asian ones.

I'm going to go with liar, double agent, or western shill planted to create a narrative of China's supposed "takeover" of Australian politics and economy. CCP trying to insert influence is a sure thing and has been happening for years, but calling it a takeover is fear mongering. Key word here is trying. Trying and failing because it's not that easy for an obvious foreigner to be pulling the strings anywhere without overpaying and benefiting the local power holders anyway.

If he really is a spy, he would only defect to the Australians IF he had some high value intelligence information to give. That's his bargaining chip for getting accepted by the Aussies, instead of thrown into jail for being a spy. Now, this is the main point: if the Aussies really got some high level info from this guy, they would most likely keep every secret in order not to alert the Chinese Government and intelligence agency. This is because modern espionage operations all have contingency plans and mechanism. These operations are built and designed this way, because every agent is treated both as an asset and a liability.

This is why if this guys is real, the Aussie will make sure that the whole thing is kept in secret in order not to trigger the contingency plan/mechanism of the Chinese intelligence operations, all the while the Aussie (and its allies') intelligence operations would be able secretly run anti-espionage and counter-intelligence operation to capitalize on the intelligence offered by this guy. To publicly announce this guy's identity in mass media would be foolish, because this is simply not how intelligence work is handled.

In fact, if this guys is a real Chinese agent and a defector. The best thing the Aussie wants out of him would be to have him work as a double agent, without his cover being blown. This way, they could both get whatever intelligence he could offer now, as well as having him as continue as an asset (intelligence source), which could continue to get Chinese intelligence out of him. This is why, real defection are almost never publicly known. The public will be the last to know. By the time the public knows it, the guy will have no more value in intelligence work. We all know what would happen to an agent once he has lost all his usefulness.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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But the government would discredit him if he were a spy. We can't take any of this at face value. The guy could also be intentionally planted as a disinfo agent to feed false information and see how Australia responds. The CCP discrediting him will add to this illusion. Or he could be a genuine scammer and liar. This also works.

What is truly unlikely is him being a spy. Since CCP is supposedly capable of performing murder on foreign soil (like every other major country is capable of) then what makes him so safe even if he is under watch for now? How about friends and family? I doubt CCP will bother to question anyone except direct relatives and even for a defector, not sure if these "Communist regimes" actually still take the lives of the relatives of defectors. Victor Belenko's family weren't touched if I recall correctly. There were another set of Soviet spies who defected to Australia in the past I think and their families were reunited after the Soviet Union went kaput. Can't say that's true for North Korea though but since defectors are plenty, you'd think they'd have a think about family especially east asian ones.

I'm going to go with liar, double agent, or western shill planted to create a narrative of China's supposed "takeover" of Australian politics and economy. CCP trying to insert influence is a sure thing and has been happening for years, but calling it a takeover is fear mongering. Key word here is trying. Trying and failing because it's not that easy for an obvious foreigner to be pulling the strings anywhere without overpaying and benefiting the local power holders anyway.

Besides, he will have to give some truly valuable information to the Aussies in order not to be harshly interrogated. This is because intelligence work is a highly developed work, and the kind of training a high level intelligence agent receives can be expected to be very psychologically demanding, especially the ones that gets send to a foreign country. The kind of people who can go through all the vetting procedures an intelligence agent can go through, are extremely unlikely to defect. In the rare case this happens, the first reaction the opponent's intelligence agencies would be extreme caution. They will interrogate him using the worst kind of interrogation method, as well as obtaining a lot of independently obtained evidences, in order to make sure this is not some kind of conspiracy or some kind of "Trojan Horse" misinformation operation. All of these would have made the whole thing classified information, thus it is impossible for the media to get their hands on.

As a rule of thumb, intelligence agencies are very unlikely to believe a strange guy who came to them. They are much more likely to trust a person they actually caught or got onto.
 
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