Hong-Kong Protests

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AssassinsMace said:
The ultimate goal is to isolate China in Trump's trade war. The same goal would be employed if China sends in the troops into Hong Kong. The US is using up all its leverage in Trump's trade war and trying to convince the rest of the world in helping achieve that goal. If that happens, dead Hong Kong protestors everywhere. What are they going to do? Slap sanctions and tariffs to punish China...? China has nothing to lose which is the only thing holding China back from violating everything...
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If PAP goes into HK is really that big of a deal against China, the West would have already slapped huge sanctions and tariffs on the so-called Xinjiang "concentration camps". If the PAP really goes into HK, it would have been easy. Because the PAP has a lot of advanced toys, training and new tactics for crowd control and stabilizing (维稳). Since guns are not legal for the general civilian in HK, a HK under the control of PAP would be a lot easier to establish public order than the US during the occupy movement. This would have meant a quick and bloodless effort that quickly put down the riots. The western media will simply not have enough material to chew on, because what they really need is an ongoing state of unrest, in order to fuel their MSM rhetoric.

Especially when now the rioters has declared to the world they will sacrifice their lives to fight for what they want, they think they are real revolutionaries and martyrs. It would be the opportuned moment for the PAP to come in and show the world their bluff. Because they are NOT revolutionaries and martyrs. They are cowards. Had they have a ounce of revolutionary zeal. They would have at least bomb and the PLA Hong Kong garrison. Yet they act like obedient little rabbits when it is a real PLA soldier staring them down. All peaceful and orderly facing the PLA soldiers, while beating down on unarmed HK civilians, Mandarin-speaking tourists and HK police.

This is what convinced me that Beijing will not send in the PAP, as long as things go on like this in HK.
 
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manqiangrexue said:
We have seen this before in Donald Trump supporters. He will have their vote no matter what he does. He can talk about dating his daughter, grabbing women's vaginas, make up fake weather reports, alienate America's allies, destroy America's trade ties, put farmers on welfare, plunge the economy into imminent recession, be caught in multiple impeachable corruption scandals, or just go on public television spewing all manner of racist, stupid, ignorant things, but he will not lose is voter base for his vileness or incompetence as long as he represents an aggressive and unapologetic white man.

This loss of rationalism is commonly caused by desperation. People lose their morals and resort to primal instinct when they feel that they are losing their battle and cannot rationalize any way to turn the tides. It is the tactical equivalent of panicking. When it comes to Trump, his voters feel that America is losing its power in the world and the white man is losing is control over the USA and they can't reverse it, so that desperate instinct tells them to follow the aggressive white alpha male image that they want the United States to have in the world, even if it will only hasten America's decline. In the Hong Kong situation, Western nations are seeing China's miraculous success over their economic models and desperate to show that their capitalism and democracy are superior. Since this is unsupported by facts, their desperation drives them to cling to any allies they can find, even if those allies are incompetent and have broken every other moral code. So now, they find themselves bending over backwards to try to justify the indefensible acts of the rioters because they are willing allies and the desperate are of the mentality that they cannot afford to lose any allies no matter how terrible. It is reflected in real life where people going through low points of their lives are likely to enter into bad relationships with questionable people who their morals would have steered them clear of had they been in a mentally healthy state. I think if China were much weaker and of no threat to anyone, the West would have condemned the violence because they would be confident enough in their position of superiority over China that they would reject alliances, media or other, with people who are clearly terrorists.

In summary, it's all good. If the Western nations aren't resorting to dirty tactics out of desperation, then China doesn't have them on the run.
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While I see what you're saying I wouldn't necessarily relate spasms in one society necessarily to being overtaken by another. Prejudice such as many forms of racism and exceptionalism are irrational too, and are as often internal as external to societies and taken up by people when they are at the peak of power, the opposite of desperate. I think it is just a technical gimmick to attempt to avoid responsibility for greed and hypocrisy when people know others, and deep down themselves, actually know better.
 
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This must be the quickest recovery time of any human being in the entire world! This "pro-protest" politicians as he is labeled in MSM. (I would called him pro-violence). Was allegedly beaten half to death, by unknown "pro-China" (anti-violence) people!

We all saw with our eyes how he was laying half under the taxi, unconscious, and blood everywhere!

However, within 24 hours, he was wheeled out for the world to see. Not a scratch, no bones broken. Just a few plasters on his head and one on his knee. Just like the lost-eye girl. Something just doesn't add up!

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This must be the quickest recovery time of any human being in the entire world! This "pro-protest" politicians as he is labeled in MSM. (I would called him pro-violence). Was allegedly beaten half to death, by unknown "pro-China" (anti-violence) people!

We all saw with our eyes how he was laying half under the taxi, unconscious, and blood everywhere!

However, within 24 hours, he was wheeled out for the world to see. Not a scratch, no bones broken. Just a few plasters on his head and one on his knee. Just like the lost-eye girl. Something just doesn't add up!

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Umm, What are you implying? Do you think there is some conspiracy ? Is the whole thing a massive set-up? Did he arrange for himself to be beaten up and thrashed. The implication of this, staged or not, is considerable- it is going to rally support and sympathy. Did the person have a history of being "cunning" ?
 
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it appears someone hit back (I have to leave right after putting links below):

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Government condemns attack on Hong Kong protest leader Jimmy Sham
  • All kinds of violence are unacceptable, says deputy leader, adding that police will bring culprits to justice
  • Civil Human Right Front leader was hit with hammers and spanners on Wednesday night, the second time he was attacked in two months
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Maybe this is a parallel to the purported Russian purge of disobedient local commanders in the Donbas, local HK rioters and conspirators who aren't following the orders of their backers and handlers are being "warned". Or it may be a false flag PR stunt, definitely can't put it past them.
 
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KYli said:
I think it is both. Pretty much political correctness at its best, it is not ok to share certain thoughts and feelings. Because ccp is bad and democrats are good.
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I think you are being way too kind to think its down to political correctness!

I think the journalists on the ground are selected for the stance! So very few "wrong" reports get through! And the few that gets through, the second gate of self censorship comes into play by the editors!
 
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Xsizor said:
Umm, What are you implying? Do you think there is some conspiracy ? Is the whole thing a massive set-up? Did he arrange for himself to be beaten up and thrashed. The implication of this, staged or not, is considerable- it is going to rally support and sympathy. Did the person have a history of being "cunning" ?
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I'm just saying that is a very quick recovery. Considering he was near death and unconscious! With blood covering his head and body. Within 24 hours, no broken bones (as requiring plaster). Face remain intact, not a stich required! Just a few plasters on the head.

And the pro-rioters have form. In the guises of the lost-eye girl! As such, I reserve judgement on the "beating" (no one is caught, and police is still investigating.

You believe what you like, I just post how I see it! I maybe wrong. But to me, it just seem strange how an individual can recover so quickly"
 
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I'm just saying that is a very quick recovery. Considering he was near death and unconscious! With blood covering his head and body. Within 24 hours, no broken bones (as requiring plaster). Face remain intact, not a stich required! Just a few plasters on the head.

And the pro-rioters have form. In the guises of the lost-eye girl! As such, I reserve judgement on the "beating" (no one is caught, and police is still investigating.

You believe what you like, I just post how I see it! I maybe wrong. But to me, it just seem strange how an individual can recover so quickly"
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Certainly. I have no beef with you (or anyone ftm). I just wanted to know what makes you think so. Suppose if that person had a history of being cunning / very slimy then there exists more reasons to believe the theory.
Thank you for keeping this thread stay true to its Title. Your contributions are very important here.
 
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dratsabknihcllik said:
If we look at the possibilities-

1. China intervenes in HK
2. China doesn't intervene in HK

In case 1, China will not only face more media outrage she may also face a massive economic sanction. Neither is a desired outcome for China.

In case 2, HK (probably supported by pro Chinese citizen) faces the protesto-rioter onslaught-

Now if we break down case2-
A. HK authorities prevail- no sign as of now. More importantly we don't see massive pro Chinese rallies in HK even after all these violence. The battered Venezuelan government had more visible support from the populace than HK with its apparently fed up society has.

B. HK fails to reign in the protesto-rioters. Massive economic loss along with loss of reputation.

Now if we think from Chinese perspective (not Chinese grown up or living in western societies for decades) HK or majority of its supposedly neutral populace hasn't shown any sign of tackling the issue.

HK simply doesn't deserve the connectivity to Chinese market. It's in the best interest of Chinese authorities to lure as many bfsi farms as possible to relocate to the mainland.

It may sound harsh but it's the best solution.
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I think you overlook one thing: you assume that if China doesn't intervene, it will not face economic sanctions.

The US is seeking to bring China down using whatever means is available. The HK unrest is but one front among others. Just because US allies have not taken action so far, does not mean they will not if the US pressures them enough. We have seen with the THAAD deployment and the arrest of Meng that the US can pressure other countries into going against their own interests for the sake of US interests, and we have seen with the propaganda blitz in both Hong Kong and Xinjiang that the US is perfectly capable of manufacturing outrage where none exists.

I will readily acknowledge that there is a risk to intervention, but I am arguing that there is also a risk in not intervening. Letting HK burn does not benefit China and will not prevent the US and its allies from taking further hostile actions against China.

You brought up the fact that this unrest will move economic activity away from HK and into other Chinese cities, and that this is a benefit. While I agree with you on that point, I would also point out that this is already happening. At this point, I think it's safe to assume that every major corporation is considering moving out of Hong Kong. Letting the violence continue will not bring any further benefit.

As for the lack of pro-Chinese rallies in HK, I would remind you that Beijing is not being threatened. Most pro-Chinese HKers are probably hoping to bunker down and wait for the unrest to pass than to risk their safety physically confronting violent rioters. HKers are essentially living under a White Terror right now. Ask yourself if this kind of unrest happened in Shanghai or Chongqing, would Beijing wait for mass pro-government rallies before sending in the PAP? Of course not!

If Shanghaiers can expect to be protected by the government against violent rioters without needing to risk their own safety, why can HKers not have the same expectation? Why would they need to demonstrate "sufficient loyalty" before becoming "eligible" for Beijing's protection? That is madness!

It is clear that Beijing wants to abide by 1C2S, and it is taking only mitigating actions against these assaults, from the sanctions on prominent Chinese corporations to the current HK unrest. It is my firm belief and hope that the central government is waiting for the right opportunity to take further action.
 
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