Hong-Kong Protests

Skye_ZTZ_113

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Against this tide of ignorance, I simply don't see what good a few posts can do. Frankly, reading the internet these days is depressing.
To be honest, I think that this whole Blizzard-firing thing will burn out pretty quickly like the Kony 2012 event. Just another outrage bandwagon imho. Taken a break from posting in my usual circles as many followed people there (which I did not expect) are jumping onto it. When the company laid off 8% of its workers despite a great financial year (about 800 ppl), I scarcely could find people who really cared about it. There were the usual YouTube videos but nothing persistent.

I can't help but feel that most of this outrage is just a knee-jerk reaction to a non-Western influence in the gaming market tbh. The Epic Games store comes to mind and all the comments about how Tencent has nefarious intentions etc. Hopefully, am wrong, though I don't tell people I'm Chinese any more in online circles (That's a long standing decision made before this event). Still hoping it'll all just blow over once people get used to a new normal.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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I don't think it shall make any difference. Who are you trying to convince ? Who are you trying to preach to?
Confirmation bias is a huge thing. People always operate on some set biases,prejudice and understanding and they shall resist mighty to see that they were right all along. Even if Truth makes itself clear, they shall miss it.
Those who are in search of truth OR are really open to see the finer details of an issue will always find it. But such people are rare. Most are simple folks- just like many HKers or many other Humans around this planet. They don't care.
That being said ... Change in popular opinion can indeed be inflicted. Such a change needs either time or impactful events or both.

The Only people who needs to know fully about the precarious situation are the common folks of the mainland. Theirs is the only opinion that matter. The disparity in the reporting, the biases in the media outside of the GFW are all on full display. And burning the national flags and attacking mainlanders ... Oh my oh my... Talk about overkill.

This is what I have been saying all along. There is no point trying to fight a media propaganda war with the NED backed rioters. The chances for victory is slim, and there are little to be gained even if we have victory. Let them swing their punches in the air. The worst they can do is to trash Hong Kong. The HK government simply can't be forced into caving in to what the NED really wants.

Hong Kong is actually a lot tougher than we think. The British colonial system of governance might have been ruthless in many instances, but it has never been a shaky one. The British Empire was a humongous empire, not to mention that it is not even geographically continuous. It would have crumbled under it own weight, had its system of government not been able to exert effective control facing all types of threats. And many times, the Brits are fending off an external enemy and internal strife in their colonies at the same time. It's strange to say this, but despite all the ineffectual performance of HK government in curbing the riots, I don't even have an ounce of doubt about its ability to maintain control. You can beat the HK government into a bloody pulp, but its hands will still grasp tightly on to the controls.

Therefore, as long as HK government do not cave in to any demands that will actually undermine the sovereignty of the PRC in HK. There are little meaningful political gain for the West, the NED and the pro-independence rioters. All they get is media material to chew on.

I have said things that a lot of people here don't like. But I will say this again. We need to be prepared to let Hong Kong rot into a third world shit-hole, before things will get better. Let the rioters destroy their own homes. Because the HK people will never wake up, unless they are hit by the third world shit-hole reality in the face.

The reason I think we could let HK get worse before it gets better, because HK's economy is mostly high-end service. There are virtually no high technology R&D, or manufacturing. This means that even if HK gets trashed into a third world shit-hole, as soon as the society come to their senses, they can very quickly rebuild their society/city. This is because the most valuable products they can offer does NOT require building up an high-end industrial bases which will require time to set up. Their knowledge can be turned into profit without much physical infrastructure support.
 

Gatekeeper

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This is hypocrisy at its highest! a British baroness said, HK government invoking colonial emergency law is in breach of the joint declaration! This is the very same law the British created to squash the demostrations in 1967 for crying out loud!

Also, she mentioned the "right honorable" John Patton was right that China are destroying what HKers built! There's no hint of irony here! The very same MP that the voters in Bath, by excising their democratic rights and rejected Patton as their MP! As such, he was forced upon Hong Kong, because HKers can not exercise their democratic rights, and have to accept him as the last governer of Hong Kong!

And the government minister agrees with her and said will rise matter up with Chinese foreign minister! The irony is too much, You just can't make this up! Lol

 
as I've already said recently, He Who Pays The Piper Calls The Tune
NBA row heightens foreign companies’ fears they could cross China’s ever-shifting red lines as fallout from Rockets GM’s Hong Kong protest tweet continues
  • Firms are becoming increasingly worried that Beijing’s hardline approach means they will find themselves at the centre of a political storm
  • Business advisers warn that companies could land themselves in ‘incredible trouble’ when it is hard to know what will anger the government

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the article describes what reportedly was happening during dialogues with students; in a dorm; (ironic part) a library:
Street violence spills over to campus in HK
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solarz

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This is hypocrisy at its highest! a British baroness said, HK government invoking colonial emergency law is in breach of the joint declaration! This is the very same law the British created to squash the demostrations in 1967 for crying out loud!

Also, she mentioned the "right honorable" John Patton was right that China are destroying what HKers built! There's no hint of irony here! The very same MP that the voters in Bath, by excising their democratic rights and rejected Patton as their MP! As such, he was forced upon Hong Kong, because HKers can not exercise their democratic rights, and have to accept him as the last governer of Hong Kong!

And the government minister agrees with her and said will rise matter up with Chinese foreign minister! The irony is too much, You just can't make this up! Lol


We live in the Age of Misinformation.
 

supersnoop

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A part of me wants this thread deleted. I regret making it in the first place.

But a part of me wants this thread alive considering the slight possibility of PAP intervening if riots results in loss of police and civilian lives.

Is it depressing that it's too political or that it seems that you are deluged by the overwhelming media coverage in support of the riots? Am I misunderstanding you that you hope that the riots can be put down by PAP?

The HK mess has brought out some of the worst of people in numerous circles and gaming communities that I'm a part of. I'm starting to understand why there is no mainland intervention; it really is the only way to show that the news and media were lying all along. All other roads lead to far worse outcomes. I couldn't even scroll through my Twitter/YouTube feeds yesterday without people posting pro-riot messages and images (mostly due to Blizzard and the player being banned). The vast majority have probably no idea what's going on over there, aside from something they read in the news. I get the sense of a lot of fear going around, perceived injustice, and too many happily jumping on the bandwagon.

As a fellow new poster, I know what you are saying, many posters in this thread have said it too. I usually don't post in forums or anything because frankly, my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However, many of the posters here have skin in the game, themselves, family, friends, or history in Hong Kong. This thread is basically to vent the frustrations at what we read.

Being Chinese, or even tangentially supportive of China due to the current government there almost makes you a persona non-grata. I don't like using this term or playing race cards too often, but in this case it is what it is, "White Privilege" (or at least "Western Privilege").

How many of the people in your online communities have actually been to China, or have friends from HK or Mainland China? They think it's some political BS, "Good fight against bad communists" or some crap like that. It's not that abstract right? Friends who own restaurants lay off all their employees, family worrying about their savings circling the drain, seeing videos of people destroying the communities that they grew up in. This is the real cost, and they don't understand it. Our friends and family (or ourselves) were perfectly happy with the status-quo, but it has been shattered now.

What are these "erosion of rights", "encroachment on freedom" that is constantly parroted about? There is not a single concrete example, at best the case of the bookseller is used, but if that's the only one you have in 20 years, then I think we can consider things safe.

But everyday, we hear these idiots yammer on about it over and over again like they know what they are talking about just because they read something in the news. The analogy I make is, "Do I go telling black people in America how to feel about cops?".

Someone posted their experiences putting together plastic flowers to earn money for their family. I've heard many similar stories from my own family and friends. Hardships from the bamboo curtain times, everyone had their share of suffering. Judging from the average "activist" from my University days, they definitely cannot understand this aspect in the least.

It goes even further than this, but I want to keep it in context of HK as much as possible.

Mod edit, with specific off topic example removed as it is judged to deviate too far from the thread.
 
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Is it depressing that it's too political or that it seems that you are deluged by the overwhelming media coverage in support of the riots? Am I misunderstanding you that you hope that the riots can be put down by PAP?



As a fellow new poster, I know what you are saying, many posters in this thread have said it too. I usually don't post in forums or anything because frankly, my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However, many of the posters here have skin in the game, themselves, family, friends, or history in Hong Kong. This thread is basically to vent the frustrations at what we read.

Being Chinese, or even tangentially supportive of China due to the current government there almost makes you a persona non-grata. I don't like using this term or playing race cards too often, but in this case it is what it is, "White Privilege" (or at least "Western Privilege").

How can some fool like Mike Pompeo talk about Uighur camps while his own government has Migrant camps?

How many of the people in your online communities have actually been to China, or have friends from HK or Mainland China? They think it's some political BS, "Good fight against bad communists" or some crap like that. It's not that abstract right? Friends who own restaurants lay off all their employees, family worrying about their savings circling the drain, seeing videos of people destroying the communities that they grew up in. This is the real cost, and they don't understand it. Our friends and family (or ourselves) were perfectly happy with the status-quo, but it has been shattered now.

What are these "erosion of rights", "encroachment on freedom" that is constantly parroted about? There is not a single concrete example, at best the case of the bookseller is used, but if that's the only one you have in 20 years, then I think we can consider things safe.

But everyday, we hear these idiots yammer on about it over and over again like they know what they are talking about just because they read something in the news. The analogy I make is, "Do I go telling black people in America how to feel about cops?".

Someone posted their experiences putting together plastic flowers to earn money for their family. I've heard many similar stories from my own family and friends. Hardships from the bamboo curtain times, everyone had their share of suffering. Judging from the average "activist" from my University days, they definitely cannot understand this aspect in the least.

It goes even further than this, but I want to keep it in context of HK as much as possible.
are "Uighur camps" needed here?



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supersnoop

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are "Uighur camps" needed here?

Yes, it is 100% needed here. I'm assuming you are native to your country. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Many of us are "visible minorities" in where we live. As a result, we have to put up with a special kind of BS.
When China does something bad, we are expected to perform Самокритика (I think you can read Russian right?) to defend ourselves.
I can use 1 million other examples, but I went with that one. This is how many of us feel about the protests right now.
If we don't support the rioters, suddenly we are "against freedom" or something like traitors.
 

nugroho

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The loyalty pledge to the CCP and then only to the country upended the meaning of "盡忠報國" because the country is secondary to the interest of the CCP. When push comes to shove in a conflict of interest the survival of the CCP take precedence to the interest of the country or the Chinese people. I find such a sense of priority deeply troubling and invariably leads to the detriment of the Chinese people as seen by CCP's historical actions that include; (i)the "Great Leap Forward" when millions of Chinese died; (ii) the 1989 incident when thousands of Chinese died; and the more recent internment of a million people in Xinjiang because of their religious beliefs.

When Yue Fei's mother tattoed on the son's back "盡忠報國", it was a reminder of service and loyalty to the motherland and not to the emperor. How lronic it is to invoke " 盡忠報國" when the CCP's number one priority is to itself and not the motherland. .



There is no dispute that Yue Fei represents the gold standard in Chinese culture for loyalty and service to the motherland even though the emperor's competence is highly questionable. However do note that in many conversations and in the HK protest, there is a distinction made between contesting the actions of the CCP as opposed to against the people of China. Even Bannon in that interview clearly referenced to CCP. Those HK people who opposed the extradition bill and the associated demands simply do not trust the CCP' as its actions.are always party ahead of the country and that includes HK.


You have to ask the CCP where their loyalty priority lies in the scheme of things - party or country?
In your post before you said that we must stay in topics, but, read your post above, is there anything concern " hong kong protest " thread, Don't be double standard. Your post was all about China history and you could not understand it.
 
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