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IMO, instead of ungrading F-15, the money can be better spent on getting more F-22 even if the number is smaller than the number of F-15 to be upgraded.
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IMO, instead of ungrading F-15, the money can be better spent on getting more F-22 even if the number is smaller than the number of F-15 to be upgraded.
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It is a reasonably good upgrade, though it remains not Su-35 material. Compared to the Su-27SK, its still a big step. The radar should be definitely be better than the old one, though its no phase array or AESA. The engines make more power than the standard AL-31F but its not TVC. Biggest improvement is in the avionics, at least it does not look like something from the seventies. Probably a lot more user friendly and don't need to press a whole series of buttons to launch a missile. Cheaper perhaps. In my opinion, better than the Su-27SKM proposed for China by Sukhoi, or the Su-30MKK/MK2.
J-11B is better than su-27sk
and China can hardly get any more advanced fighter from russia again.
Su-30MK3 isn't a very advanced design either. It's the same Su-30MKK, but with a Zhuk MSE radar that's better than the improved N001VEP on the Su-30MK2. Its more like another incremental upgrade. Fundamentally, or in the technology level, it does not offer anything significant over the J-11B or the upcoming J-11BS.
What's the difference between J-11B and J-11BS? When I first heard people talking about J-11BS on a Chinese forum sometime ago, I thought they meant J-11Bs. Now it looks like it's a different model to J-11B. If so, what's the upgrade?
The upgrade in the J-11BS should be a second seat. It's just a two seat variant of the J-11B. If I'm not totally mistaken here.
J-11B in serial production now should let us see some fotos in the near future.
With reports of J-10s beating MKKs, these might probably focus on attack roles? Or perhaps long range interceptors?
From now on, will China develop the J-11 on it's own or upgrade them further with russian technology? (Su-35/Su-37)
J-11B in serial production now should let us see some fotos in the near future.
With reports of J-10s beating MKKs, these might probably focus on attack roles? Or perhaps long range interceptors?
From now on, will China develop the J-11 on it's own or upgrade them further with russian technology? (Su-35/Su-37)
As far as I can tell all the talk about J-10 beating the SU-27 variants was related to within visional range engagements. It’s not that surprising that the smaller fighter did better in a dog fight. An F-16 is better then an F-15 in a dog fight, that doesn’t mean the F-16, is going to replace the F-15. The J-11b is going to be better the J-10 in every regard expert perhaps debatable maneuverability and cost. I think it’s clear at this point that the Chinese have decided to go with a high low mix of J-10 and J-11. Now a lot of Chinese ultra nationals will tell you that twin engine J-10 or something is going to replace the J-11, but I just don’t see that happening within the next ten years. The Chinese have just gotten to the point that they are able to produce indigently 4th generation fighters. They lack the technology to product aircraft that are significantly better then the J-10 or J-11 in more then one or two areas.
that is what the u.s. air force say it needs, since more than 800 aircraft in the u.s. are grounded or under heavy flight restrictions and the 30 year old F-15 once able to fly at mach 2.5, pilots are told never to exceade mach 1.5, that is telling you something. :coffee:
So basicly J-11 is just Chinese assembled Su-27 (with all the Russian parts); J-11B is an upgraded Su-27/J-11 with more Chinese made parts; finally J-11BS is more like Chinese made (not just assembled) Su-30MKK (maybe more advanced). Coz at the end of the day Su-30MKK is just an upgraded Su-27 with 2-seater, right?
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