Hong-Kong Protests

Thanks for your understanding! It just that at the moment, things are happening so fast, it is difficult to keep up.

I would like to add comment, etc to some of the post. But I found after a short period, it's not possible to edit.

I have said it here before. I'm not tech miinded, (i'm embarrassed to say). Sorry

Gatekeeper said:

Thanks for your understanding! It just that at the moment, things are happening so fast, it is difficult to keep up.

I would like to add comment, etc to some of the post. But I found after a short period, it's not possible to edit.

I have said it here before. I'm not tech miinded, (i'm embarrassed to say). Sorry

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Fair, however please use personal discretion to decide which links and pictures or videos are essential so as to not flood a thread with many different posts.
I would also again encourage that as much commentary is included with multimedia posts as possible to increase the average value of each post as much as possible.
You should be able to edit your own posts if they're made within the last 15 minutes.

Also, a reminder that mod posts with text colored in blue should not be quoted as a direct reply per forum rules for replying to moderators.

Bltizo said:

Fair, however please use personal discretion to decide which links and pictures or videos are essential so as to not flood a thread with many different posts.
I would also again encourage that as much commentary is included with multimedia posts as possible to increase the average value of each post as much as possible.
You should be able to edit your own posts if they're made within the last 15 minutes.

Also, a reminder that mod posts with text colored in blue should not be quoted as a direct reply per forum rules for replying to moderators.

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Ok thanks, I'll kep this to minimum. But it is just so much going on out there at the moment.

Once again, thanks for your patient"

Gatekeeper said:

Aftermath of an old guy having acid thrown at him for daring to disagree with the thugs! View attachment 54488

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This is a very serious crime. It's as bad as burning someone alive using a gas torch. This old guy could be permanently disfigured and blinded for the rest of his life.

Apparently, the thugs now got the "FULLSET". They can now add ARSEN to their resume!

There is just no limits to their mindless wanton vandalism! i suuposed the saving grace is:

That all the time they are attacking properties, etc. They are not attacking people!

You know, although I detest the thugs with every fibre in my body, I think the western MSM must take a lot of the blame for this.

Because even now, they are still insisting protest are peaceful, and still trying to paint HK Police and China ( who's been largely absence from all these) as the "bad guys" in the current situation! Thus fanning the flame further!

Jura said:

in an interesting development,

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"8:37PM
Protesters closely watched outside PLA barracks
Several men in camouflage uniforms kept a close watch from a rooftop on protesters outside the PLA's Kowloon East Barracks in Kowloon Tong.

One raised a yellow flag to warn the crowd to leave the area while some pointed flashlights at protesters on Waterloo Road.

A short while later, the protesters departed from the area."

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This is why military force works and this is why these citizens deserve to live under martial law. They only attack those who cannot or will not fight back like other citizens or Hong Kong police; they are like piranhas when the rule is weak, lax, and liberal, but they follow law and order when they are under fear. The PLA is the arm of the CCP and represents the number one thing they wish to destroy but there, they are orderly and they leave when commanded. No brick-throwing, no molotovs, certainly nobody charging soldiers with steel clubs, not even lasers being shined in people's eyes! What an orderly well-behaved crowd! They make arguments against democracy and freedoms every day with their actions!

Take a stand or not. Since he deleted his tweet, he must have been wholly ignorant of the situation. He didn't think about the repercussions to the Houston Rockets and the NBA? If he were taking a stand and the Houston Rockets owner said he had no problem with the tweet, why would you remove it? Because he was in Japan with the Houston Rockets playing there, he probably thought Hong Kong was a part of Japan and just blindly said something he thought his hosts would like. That's the only explanation he can make to ease the situation but will he admit it?

That's the price you pay for getting involved in something you had no business in. The funny thing is if the US stands with the protestors, they don't disengage with who they think is the offender. They still expect to be able to make money from the offender. They just want the offender not to be able to make money. This is just like Trump thinking he can get a trade deal from China based on his zero-sum game belief where the US gets to do and get everything from China it wants but China gets nothing. Is it surprising they're going to refuse yet they get mad if they don't get their way.

KYli said:

Of course in the end of the day, it is Carrie Lam that asked the HKPF to be restrained. You can't truly blame the HKPF for not doing their jobs when they could get prosecuted. It took the central government intervention to refute any attempts to set up a grand jury to investigate the HKPF. HKPF was worrying that they would get throw under the bus by Carrie Lam.

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Not only HKPF may be throw under the bus, Carrie Lam herself my be a victim of reprisal after she finished her term. Someone could sue her for abuse of power, the court lead by many British citizens (absurd isn't it?!) would send her to prison. She would have no way to appeal her case to the Supreme court or National Congress in Beijing because according to the flawed basic law, Hong Kong's legal criminal cases settle in Hong Kong except basic law itself.

Regardless abolishing 1C2S in name or in effect, the basic law need to be changed to remove the power of final appeal from Hong Kong's Court of Final Appeal, or make the Chief Executive immune for life and change the qualification of judges to remove foreign nationals from legal system.

KYli said:

The current Commissioner of Police Stephen Lo would be retired in November. Therefore, Stephen Lo isn't going to stick his neck out now. That is a problem for bureaucrats as they tend to play it safe. There are many times in the early days of the riots that he didn't make a stand and ask the police to retreat. It looks pretty bad and weak and might have contributed and encouraged the riots in some way. There is a reason why they asked Lau to come back from retirement but some of the tactics Lau used were a little too controversial and risky for some people in the HKPF.

Of course in the end of the day, it is Carrie Lam that asked the HKPF to be restrained. You can't truly blame the HKPF for not doing their jobs when they could get prosecuted. It took the central government intervention to refute any attempts to set up a grand jury to investigate the HKPF. HKPF was worrying that they would get throw under the bus by Carrie Lam.

There is a discussion about setting up a temporary prison at the HK football stadium. Using an island prison might feed more conspiracy theories that cook up by the oppositions to discredit the HKPF. The problem is that the HK government needs to use the Emergency laws to grant the HKPF extra powers and extend the time of detainment. That goes back to your assessment, lack of political will.

Without the article 23, there are not much you can charge the conspirators behind the rioters. Majority of the ringleaders are just figurehead. Joshua Wong, Martin Lee, and Jimmy Lai are all dispensable. Using the emergency laws to shutoff Telegram, LIHKG, Appledaily, and Golden is probably easier and more effective.

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Those are just communication mediums that are also expendable and replaceable, any shutdown would only be a temporary disruption. It has to be accompanied by arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment of the people associated with those organizations of inciting riots, slander, conspiracy, etc. If more intelligence can be gleaned by letting them continue to operate then that might be preferable.

Dolcevita said:

Big question is who are those behind the scenes? The evangelical church and their Christian Persecution complex Syndrome soldiers.

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There are specific organizations and people instigating and sustaining the rioting, including religious ones, who should be handled appropriately same as the online and media conspirators above, but I think labeling of general religious movements would be counterproductive.

B.I.B. said:

Why is there a lack of political will?
I think too many rioters are back on the streets again within a few days of being arrested. In this emergency situation they should pass a law allowing all rioters to be held for up to 60 days without being charged. This would really mess with their daytime commitments which may result in them thinking twice before engaging in extreme behavior. This would take care of the culprits being given light sentences from a sympathetic judiciary.
The sentences for breaking the laws regarding the wearing of masks etc should contain a minimum and maximum period of incarceration such as 1 year up to 25yrs as wells as a stipulated fine. Perhaps chipping them as we do with our pet dogs could also be considered.
Near empty hotels can be utilized to house these detainees at say 10 to a room or they can recreate accommodation centers like the ones the US uses to house the illegal immigrants from Central America until a longer term incaceration can be found in China.

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The anti-mask law is pretty weak, there are reasonable exemptions such as for medical reasons but also very lax qualifiers such as >30/>50 people when rallying/marching etc. It should be more like groups >5 people and anyone who is masked when committing other offenses gets additional punishment. There doesn't appear to be a minimum but the max punishment is 1yr prison time and $25000HKD fine.

I think chipping them, housing them in hotels or in China are all more trouble than it's worth. Certainly they need to be liberated from brainwashing and pay for the damage to public and private property, so re-education and labor would be appropriate.

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Take a stand or not. Since he deleted his tweet, he must have been wholly ignorant of the situation. He didn't think about the repercussions to the Houston Rockets and the NBA? If he were taking a stand and the Houston Rockets owner said he had no problem with the tweet, why would you remove it? Because he was in Japan with the Houston Rockets playing there, he probably thought Hong Kong was a part of Japan and just blindly said something he thought his hosts would like. That's the only explanation he can make to ease the situation but will he admit it?

That's the price you pay for getting involved in something you had no business in. The funny thing is if the US stands with the protestors, they don't disengage with who they think is the offender. They still expect to be able to make money from the offender. They just want the offender not to be able to make money. This is just like Trump thinking he can get a trade deal from China based on his zero-sum game belief where the US gets to do and get everything from China it wants but China gets nothing. Is it surprising they're going to refuse yet they get mad if they don't get their way.

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Ignorant or not, for somebody who is the general manager, one would expect he would have a ...... um... brain!.

If you don't know enough about a subject, then as they say:

"Keep your mouth shut and be thought of that you MAYBE a fool. Don't open your mouth and have all doubts removed"

But in a way, I can see how he might be mis-informed.

As I had just watched the evening news here, and I can't believe what I was watching. I was so angry, I almost broke my TV. My wife have to tell me to calm down. (and I'm one the lay back kind)!

The evening news on HK, it starts with the newsreader reading the headline; and I quote:

HK Police crossed the line by firing teargas at peaceful protestors with children! lol,
Then it moved on about a pro-beijing (noticed it is never pro-China as it is a bad thing! And we never say pro-washington, or pro-London, ever, do we) taxi driver plow into a crowd. (And here I give 3 out of 10 for mentioning the taxi driver was dragged out and beaten(we all seen what happened to him))!

Now, this is how they twist things which is probably why our friend, the General Manager is ignorant of the fact!

As we know, the "peaceful protestors" are not peaceful!

It is an illegal protest, as no permit was issued. Protestors were wearing masks against the law!

And this takes the busicuit. As if taking children to an illegal protest (and knowing that it can turn violent any time) is a good thing?! The authority ought to lock the parents up for being irresponsible alone!

With regards to the taxi driver, 1st and foremost, no one knows whether orvnit his "pro-beijing" as no one can ask him, as he is laying in hospital battling for his life. (we all seen photos of him, as I and others have posted of him lying unconscious on the road!)

2nd, from footage I've seen, his taxi was surrounded by thugs, and in fear of his life, he tries to turn, and in doing so, ran into protestors. (he did not ran into them as in a straight line heading for them which would be a deliberate act). The very fact he tries to turn 180 degree round suggest he was trying to get away!

And furthermore nothing was mentioned about all the post I have shown on here with citizens being beaten up, and underaged protestors arrested and crying their eyes out!

The reporter is Debi Edwards. Hope you earn enough brownie points for your superiors! Shame on you!