Hong-Kong Protests

Yesterday at 5:17 PM
now I read
Hong Kong government to announce new law banning masks during public assemblies in bid to end months of protest violence
  • Source confirms city leader Carrie Lam’s de facto cabinet will convene a special meeting on Friday
  • If the Executive Council approves the plan to enact the anti-mask law, the government will make an announcement after the meeting
Updated: 10:00pm, 3 Oct, 2019
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Anti-mask law targeting Hong Kong protesters could come into force by midnight on Friday, as government considers invoking emergency powers
  • Executive Council to discuss possibility of giving police power to demand anyone wearing a mask in public removes it
  • Breaking law could result in person being sent to jail for up to a year, but pro-establishment groups want that to be 10 years

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Quickie

Colonel
Good point is to remember to deal with the manipulators who brainwashed and egged on the rioters, those people are even more heinous than the rioters themselves.

The range of people who got under their influence is crazily outrageous. You see very young people, a 12-year-old, the mentally challenged and a very old chap, who barely can stand on his own, fighting the police.
 

lgnxz

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When is the penny going to drop?
These thugs going around the university setting off alarms, disreputing classes, forcing other students (who going about their own studies) to join in with their "strike", all in the name of FREEDOM!

Yet, all the while, other students have their freedom taken away in the name of ........ FREEDOM!?

The irony is too much!

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You share all these updates but unfortunately noone can see it since it's linked to a closed group on FB.. Maybe just upload the video somewhere else or use different link?
 

AssassinsMace

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How do you handle an unruly child? Don't give it the attention it seeks. I have a friend who has a kid where one day she was being annoying with everyone. Everyone reacted pretty much what you would think trying to reason with her or expressed anger with her. When I ignored her she started to be extra annoying with me to point where she started hitting me with a toy to get my attention. I took away her toy and she screamed she hated me. I told her "Good! I love it when you hate me." She walked away and started crying. Was she crying because I abused her? No. She was crying because that was an unexpected reaction she wasn't looking for. She stopped annoying everyone after that. That was Beijing's mistake from the beginning giving warnings and making threats of sending in the troops. That's the expected reaction and predictably it was going to feed their narrative and China was the one going to be vilified. The protestors were counting on it. Beijing to the least should've said from the beginning that it was a Hong Kong matter. They haven't sent in the troops so it was an empty threat and they shouldn't have made those threats if they were never going to do it.
 

Pika

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The face mask ban seems reasonable. I mean if you're going to protest peacefully, no need to hide your face (unless you work for Cathay Pacific or government job and are scared of getting fired)
But I'm predicting it won't deter any violence or reduce protests. France tried and it didn't work with yellow vest. I mean protesters already ignore and still holds unsanctioned protests.

So what happens.

This ban won't work. More violence and increased protests with almost everyone wearing face masks to defer Lam. The threshold will be crossed if someone gets killed or an officer seriously hurt and then Lam will declare state of emergency.

I don't see this ending any other way than PAP stepping in. You can almost sense the protesters are goading China to act. And when PAP steps, it will be the end of HK.

Unless China decides to let the city burn itself down. That's frankly the best option. Stepping in will be a disaster and ruin China's foreign relationship, prove 1 country, 2 systems to be failure and ruin any chance of Taiwan re-unifying with China peacefully.

P.S. I thought this thread would axed a long time ago after I created it since politics isn't allowed here but I guess the mods find no issue with it....yet.
 
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SampanViking

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I am perhaps a bit more optimistic about the situation than some.
I really believe that this wave of popular protest has peaked and that the big mass rallies of a million plus, which we saw a few months ago are unlikely to be repeated anytime soon.
Now the crowds are just "hundreds" when before it was thousands or even tens of thousands.
I see the increase in violence and the increasingly sensationalist claims/rhetoric from the protestors as signs of desperation.
I remember (just) being a teenager, I remember fully well, going places and taking part in things, simply because they sounded like fun and because there would be girls there.
Often I could not have cared less about whatever cause the event was supposed to be supporting.

I am also old enough to remember living through the cold war.
I recall clearly the various scenarios in which strategists would play out the start of possible WW3 or even the more limited scenarios in which the SU would try to expand into smaller areas of Western Europe.
These were always based on the Salami slicing principle, taking a small action and seeing how the opposition reacted before taking the next small slice.
Now I am not saying that Cold War Europe and Hong Kong are directly comparable (they are not), but it does give a useful insight into strategy.

I would say that the chance of the PLA itself being deployed against civilians is so remote as to be possible to be fully discounted.
It is of course the PAP that have been moved to the Shenzhen border and these that would cross into HKSAR if the local police needed further assistance.
Even here, the salami slicing principle suggests that a full deployment against the rioters is highly unlikely.
My guess is that the PAP would deploy to protect critical/national level infrastructure (ie Lantou Airport, the mainline railways, Power stations etc) and central government buildings etc, freeing up local police officers to deal with the sharp end.

Beyond this though are real and legitimate gripes in the city. Soaring house prices, rents and the cost of living at the forefront. I noticed myself this year that my money went nowhere near as far as it had in previous visits. If the LC start to seriously address some of these problems, then a lot of the residual heat that the protest movement has proved so good at harvesting will be extinguished.
 
How do you handle an unruly child? Don't give it the attention it seeks. I have a friend who has a kid where one day she was being annoying with everyone. Everyone reacted pretty much what you would think trying to reason with her or expressed anger with her. When I ignored her she started to be extra annoying with me to point where she started hitting me with a toy to get my attention. I took away her toy and she screamed she hated me. I told her "Good! I love it when you hate me." She walked away and started crying. Was she crying because I abused her? No. She was crying because that was an unexpected reaction she wasn't looking for. She stopped annoying everyone after that. That was Beijing's mistake from the beginning giving warnings and making threats of sending in the troops. That's the expected reaction and predictably it was going to feed their narrative and China was the one going to be vilified. The protestors were counting on it. Beijing to the least should've said from the beginning that it was a Hong Kong matter. They haven't sent in the troops so it was an empty threat and they shouldn't have made those threats if they were never going to do it.

This is just one example of how China's PR is not up to par with Western propaganda, given the West especially the US excels in propaganda including blatant lying and flipping facts on their heads, on top of having immense accumulated soft power to draw from. That is a side benefit of missionary religious beliefs and open elections, practice makes perfect with PR and propaganda, not that it doesn't also have costs as evidenced by the current condition of US politics.
 

MrCrazyBoyRavi

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Umm . They need good english public speaker to convey messages. That press conference and produce release by huwawei consumer head is so lame.
 

Gatekeeper

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Breaking newd! Unlike what was posted earlier regarding new laws to deal with face masks. There would be no new law to be use for this. Instead, existing colonial emergency law would be used,

Carrie Lam announced the banning of face mask in "public places". She also made it clear that this is NOT a new law, but in fact is a enactment of the old "colonial EMERGENCY law"! (at last)!

But she also maintained that throught this enactment, Hong Kong is NOT in an emergency situation. ie: No LOCKED DOWN like it was last time under British colonial rulers!
 
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