QBZ-191 service rifle family

Bltizo said:

Assuming the standard rifle variants (carbine and infantry) are free floated and the DMR is similar, it seems like having a longer barrel with the accessories you mentioned and the different handguard should offer a sensible DMR.

Question is whether it uses the same calibre or not.

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taxiya said:

QBU-88 uses dedicated heavy round with slower muzzle velocity but higher muzzle energy than standard round for QBZ-95.
The new DMR may use dedicated heavy round or the new all-purpose round which has muzzle energy higher than both the heavy round and standard rounds.
It is not the velocity along but the energy that count the lethality. Of course larger caliber is better, but DMR is not true sniper, it is meant to share ammunition with squad members, so sacrificing is a necessity.

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i thought the 5.8mm heavy round for qbu88 and type88 gpmg was discontinued long ago, and the whole experiment of replacing full power rifle round with a “heavy round” was deemed a failure.

lowtek226 said:

Unless I'm mistaken with my broken chinese comprehension, the 95-1 magazine allows for last-shot bolt hold open. This allows a user to quickly chamber a round by hitting the bolt release after inserting a fresh magazine. Using the 95 magazine probably means that the rifle's charging handle needs to be manipulated in order to chamber a round.

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Interesting. Where is the bolt release button on the 95-1?

If 95-1 has that function then I imagine I imagine the new service rifle should as well, but I'm also unable to spot an obvious bolt release.

Dfangsaur said:

i thought the 5.8mm heavy round for qbu88 and type88 gpmg was discontinued long ago, and the whole experiment with replacing full power rifle round with a “heavy round” was deemed a failure.

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Yes, that was my understanding too.

To err on the safe of side I didn't want to assume the new DMR uses a different calibre bullet... and also because there are DMRs in the world that use intermediate cartridges.

Bltizo said:

Interesting. Where is the bolt release button on the 95-1?

If 95-1 has that function then I imagine I imagine the new service rifle should as well, but I'm also unable to spot an obvious bolt release.

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Okay, I found a video showing it in action, at 2:50 here:


Seems like the bolt release button is behind the magwell, just behind the magazine release...





Hmm... can anyone look through the pics of the new service rifle and find a bolt release lol?


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I think this should be the bolt release button. But seems like it's only on the left side, I don't see one on the right.

There may be one on the right side.
It occured to me that when HK the XM8 they used the G36 magazine catch and had a bolt release in the trigger guard. Looking at pictures posted the magazine release lever is below the tigger guard but there is a tab hanging out on the right side of the trigger guard that that sits parallel to the magazine release but ends before that. At first I was thinking to give the shooter a bigger spot to push the magazine but then why make it higher than the paddle? It doesn’t appear on the left side.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

There may be one on the right side.
It occured to me that when HK the XM8 they used the G36 magazine catch and had a bolt release in the trigger guard. Looking at pictures posted the magazine release lever is below the tigger guard but there is a tab hanging out on the right side of the trigger guard that that sits parallel to the magazine release but ends before that. At first I was thinking to give the shooter a bigger spot to push the magazine but then why make it higher than the paddle? It doesn’t appear on the left side.

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Hmm I feel like despite the ambidextrous fire selector, this rifle is still designed to be used on the right hand optimally.

On pictures of the rifle's right side I can't find a similarly positioned bolt release.
Meanwhile, the mag release lever with the tab on the right side that you mention, IMO could be there to assist a right handed shooter's operation of the lever?

It could be but, because this is a rock back magazine, the shooter left or right handed is going to have to grab the magazine and pull it free. This means either the trigger finger or thumb can be used even if you are knocking the magazine out with a fresh magazine the position of the magazine release is fairly ambidextrous as is.
An a AR or G36 magazine it can drop free. This needs a mechanical assist.

is the button here a bolt release or is it part of the magazine latch?

Dfangsaur said:

is the button here a bolt release or is it part of the magazine latch?

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Terran empire mentioned its positioning means it could be for bolt release, but I can't really see how it could work. It looks like more of an extension of the mag lever to me.

The confirmed bolt release on the left side is also in an expected/normal position for a bolt release, and I don't see why they would have one on the left side in that position and one on the right side near the mag lever; seems like it would make more sense to have a right side bolt release be in the same position as the left bolt release.

taxiya said:

QBU-88 uses dedicated heavy round with slower muzzle velocity but higher muzzle energy than standard round for QBZ-95.
The new DMR may use dedicated heavy round or the new all-purpose round which has muzzle energy higher than both the heavy round and standard rounds.
It is not the velocity along but the energy that count the lethality. Of course larger caliber is better, but DMR is not true sniper, it is meant to share ammunition with squad members, so sacrificing is a necessity.

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QBU88 for quite some time was used as sniper rifle but it looks like they now use the CS/LR4 as their good-and-proper sniper rifle. Actually, given that they now showcase the CS/LR4 at the military museum in Beijing (I just came back from Beijing, took some pictures of that place), as well as debuted it on CCTV several times, think that's their sniper rifle now and QBU88 will be used as DMR exclusively henceforth...though it still has a reputation problem to overcome.

Bltizo said:

Hmm I feel like despite the ambidextrous fire selector, this rifle is still designed to be used on the right hand optimally.

On pictures of the rifle's right side I can't find a similarly positioned bolt release.
Meanwhile, the mag release lever with the tab on the right side that you mention, IMO could be there to assist a right handed shooter's operation of the lever?


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The new AR series shown in the parade is probably what we known as carbine, the full length barrel as well as DMR has yet properly debuted but I think it could be "soon", alas the rifles still sporting the company logo, thus those are still probably in troop trial phase.

The latch at the front of the trigger guard is most likely magazine release latch, so we may see them go fast mag change, AK style - heck, the setup is probably fully compatible with AK-reolad drills! Though I wonder what the mechanical operation would be...the layout sort of AR15-ish, or else they could go fo folding buttstock instead of telescopic one.