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Blitzo

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Unclear, but all sources I could find (and I did quite a bit of searching) quote 38m. I see that Jeff Head put the beam at 110ft=33.5m? But based on that drawing, your estimate seems plausible.

The Izumo definitely is not 38m beam at waterline.

If you look at satellite images of Izumo class ships, you'll find that the flight deck width is about 38 meters, which is why I believe the 38m "beam" refers to.

The actual waterline beam of the Izumo is closer to 32m.


.... obviously it goes without saying that a 38m beam waterline ship is a much larger vessel than what Izumo is, because 38m beam waterline is approaching the kind of beam you get out of a 65,000 ton carrier.
 

winton

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I see there is 2 lifts. One rear and one in the centre (roughly) It doesn't look that big going by the render.

My question is, I don't see evidence of a side lift so why have one in the centre?

Obviously the chinese had the US experience to inform their choice, but they have opted for this configuration. I really wonder why?
 
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kickars

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So the waterline is at 8.1m which is higher than all previous guessed figures. I remember the full displacement of 31500ton was based on somewhere around 7.5m of waterline, then that figure was adjusted to 36000ton due to the later believe of 8.0m waterline (that was yesterday). Now, it looks more towards 38000ton full displacement which isn’t that smaller than the Wasp class, and with better and more advanced internal design, we should be very confident with the overall result.
 

Richard Santos

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The two dimensional size of the deck doesn't determine the displacement, it's the three dimensional volume of the hull determines the displacement. That's why some of the cruise ships are no longer or wider than a Nimitz class carrier, but they can have three times the displacement.

Both Chinese 075 and American Wasps and America are designed to transport as much as possible in their hulls. That's why they all look like bathtubs with almost vertical sides and rear. Whereas, Izumo is basically an aircraft carrier that's been called something else for the sake of law.

Which cruise ship has three times the displacement of a Nimitz class carrier?

You are confusing gross tonnage with displacement.


Displacement is the weight of the ship and defines the volume of hull below water. Gross Tonnage is the total usable volume of the ship and has nothing to do with weight of the ship. Tonnage is irrelevant to warships and is not typically calculated for warships. So warships sizes are given in displacement.

Displacement is not that important to cruise ships because thing like taxes, duties and Usable spaces are better measured with gross tonnage. So their sizes are usually given in tonnages, and their displacement figures are often hard to find.

The largest cruise ships have tonnage in the ball park of 250,000 tons because the stand so high and have so much light weight but voluminous berthing and recreational compartments above water. But their displacements, or total weight, are actually around 100,000 tons. Similar to Nimitz class carrier.
 

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The curved clipper bow on the type 075 is totally unlike those on any other Chinese warship. It suggest to me this ship’s hull is based merchant design, and not warship standard. Whether that is actually so might be shown once we actually see the underwater hull form around the screws and propellers.

Building amphibious assault ships to merchant standard is not uncommon. For example the Iwo Jima class amphibious assault ships were built to merchant hull design. The British “commando carrier” helicopter assulat ships converted form “light fleet carriers” were somewhat closer to warship standard, but was still designed so yards with only large merchant ship experience can build them.
 
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kickars

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Which cruise ship has three times the displacement of a Nimitz class carrier?

You are confusing gross tonnage with displacement.


Displacement is the weight of the ship and defines the volume of hull below water. Gross Tonnage is the total usable volume of the ship and has nothing to do with weight of the ship. Tonnage is irrelevant to warships and is not typically calculated for warships. So warships sizes are given in displacement.

Displacement is not that important to cruise ships because thing like taxes, duties and Usable spaces are better measured with gross tonnage. So their sizes are usually given in tonnages, and their displacement figures are often hard to find.

The largest cruise ships have tonnage in the ball park of 250,000 tons because the stand so high and have so much light weight but voluminous berthing and recreational compartments above water. But their displacements, or total weight, are actually around 100,000 tons. Similar to Nimitz class carrier.
My mistake for that example. I totally mixed things up. But, hope you know what I mean why 075 and Wasp have a higher displacement than Izumo.
 
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