Just because you know a few Chinese and visited China, you think you understand China now. Quiet an ego you have. I studied and worked with plenty of Indians over the years and I would never have claimed i know India
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Just because you know a few Chinese and visited China, you think you understand China now. Quiet an ego you have. I studied and worked with plenty of Indians over the years and I would never have claimed i know India
To be honest with you. India and China will eventually move back to the kind of traditional Sino-Indian intercultural dynamics we've had for nearly 2000 years. China will return to that meritocratic centralized bureaucratic dynasty. And India will revert back to the multicultural diversified mostly non-centralized subcontinent. In the long run, I am the least worried about Sino-Indian relation. If there is a civilization out there that Chinese people would be consistently most comfortable interacting with, it would be India. And China and India are the least geographically convenient at invading each other.
Your perception of my idea as being "dystopian" reflects your own world view and value system, those which are deeply influenced by Modern Western Liberalism. There is no such thing as "dystopia". If a social system works, it works. If it has the ability to sustain itself and be more competitive than other forms of social system, then it is superior.
The whole concept of a "dystopia" betrays the West's deep seated fear about change and social evolution. The West is afraid of change, afraid of the possibility of an unfamiliar social system, one that is base upon a set of world views and value systems that is antithesis to their own foundations. They are afraid that such social systems will be more robust, more competitive, more powerful, and eventually out-surviving Modern Western Liberalism.
You treat anything that deviates from the foundation of Modern Western Liberalism as "dystopian". I think that anyone who is mildly interested in learning history should first learn to look at humanity and all Her possibilities without tainted glasses.
Well, I've always had a voice at the back of my mind telling me "you are overthinking it". I will take your word and listen to this voice now.
Seriously now since you had previously replied to Equation's post.
Don't get me wrong, there are a quite a number of Christians that are wonderful people and I truly respect them not because they are rich or powerful, beautiful or generous or submissive but because they are truly wonderful people.
Nonetheless, there are the other less benevolent elements in the same community(politicians and voters). The Christian centric Western civilization has seen its power steadily eroded this past 2 decade, they are concerned and are inclined to act and check the rise of a non-christian civilization. The rise of China, no matter how peaceful are events that challenges the established order, their sense of pride(superiority) along with all the associated entitlement. While some of them may condone the peaceful rise of China, but the instinct is to prevent and hinder such an event.
Unfortunately, many Chinese heavily influenced through their faith in HK as well as China are indoctrinated and willingly serving as good Christian soldier to preserve the Christian world order and disrespecting non-conforming views. They have willingly(adults) and unwillingly(children) allowed themselves to be indoctrinated to HATE the PRC and by extension China and Chinese people. Most of them are too young to experience any true oppression, hardship, or injustices. Have you ever wondered why these protestors keep insisting they are not Chinese. They have been indoctrinated to believe that as HKer, they can disassociate themselves from being Chinese although in fact it is not mutually exclusive. This does not just happen and it suggest there was indoctrination and rationalization involved in their thought process.
Nothing inherently wrong with being Christian unless if you willingly surrender yourself, as the bible teaches, for the sake of salvation and allow yourself to become a tool to suppress non-Christian beliefs and way-of life, you have lost your own identity and self-respect. Now how can one respect someone who does not respect themselves.
I've met many westerners openly antagonistic towards Chinese and when they see me at a church event would say something like it's ok you are one of us, meaning we are all Christian. duh.
Going back to your question, the dynamics to hinder China's peaceful rise are deep rooted. It is just blatantly obvious today because we live in a Trumpian world where the modus operandi is preservation of Christian Western Order and entitlements. That is why the religious right supports Trump not because he a TRUE Christian but because they see him as another tool to preserve a predominant Christian-centric order.
Of course there are also many other factors involved but this is one of the major dynamics contributing to the clash of civilization as you mentioned.
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Equation
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Easy...to keep the myth of their superiority alive at any cost. Otherwise that meant that their god and empire are not legit in human history.
Actually your post I replied to is what aligns with your supposed Modern Western (neo-)Liberalism in generalizing and demonizing Chinese (including PRC) culture and history.
