Hong-Kong Protests

Those who trumpet loudest about Rule of Law are usually the most serious offenders. Rule of Law are only convenient slogan for those who create the rules. Yet they conveniently ignore their own rules whenever it suits them. Many are actually celebrating the destruction in HK to sell more articles and for propaganda. They don't care about what happens to people in HK.

Agnes Chow posted a child shouting slogan and calls it "cute" and "endearing". You can hear all older kids in the background egging the child while they film the footage. They do start the indoctrination early. Now what does the child know other than follow the older kids. Yet no condemnation as long as it serves its purpose. Disgusting exploitation if you ask me.

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Anti-government cultists and rioters who use guerilla terrorist tactics are also using child soldiers and human shields, not a surprise.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
People with personal problems to begin with are often exploited by cults and terrorist groups, it's a real shame. The anti-government manipulators are truly evil for driving these unfortunate people to their deaths.

The deaths of these fools was always what the masterminds behind the riots wanted and planned for. They just expected those deaths to come from police bullets.

The unspoken and unreported reality is that these extremist traitorous rioters have far far less wider support than the MSM would have you believe. That’s why these fools are killing themselves as they find even close friends and family firmly and increasingly against their antics.

Expect that to grow and get worse for the rioters as they show their true colours with the recent pathetic and treasonous begging for foreigners to invade.

To be blunt, it’s no loss for HK if people like that off themselves.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
The deaths of these fools was always what the masterminds behind the riots wanted and planned for. They just expected those deaths to come from police bullets.

The unspoken and unreported reality is that these extremist traitorous rioters have far far less wider support than the MSM would have you believe. That’s why these fools are killing themselves as they find even close friends and family firmly and increasingly against their antics.

Expect that to grow and get worse for the rioters as they show their true colours with the recent pathetic and treasonous begging for foreigners to invade.

To be blunt, it’s no loss for HK if people like that off themselves.
But are they offing themselves though? It's totally fine and good if they don't like their lives so they just decide to go silently by themselves but it's completely different if they instead commit increasingly violent and radical crimes because they don't care what the consequences are and challenge the authorities to do their "suicide" for them. The former is a sad person but the latter is a terrorist with a death-wish and right now, it seems to me that they are more choosing to go out with a bang and live the end of their lives like they were playing Grand Theft Auto. The worst part is that the Hong Kong police are so soft that these terrorists are discovering that they can play this game for longer than they thought and push it to higher limits than they thought cus they're trying every day to get killed but it's just not happening.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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The current HK unrest reminds me of the Boxers Rebellion. Both are essentially self-destructive movements cheered on by nearsighted political backers.

This is why I think this whole thing is going nowhere. One because it lacks a realistic grand geopolitical strategy to back it up. The other because its intended opponent (the PRC) is NOT at all a short sighted government that would take the bait.

I am starting to believe more about a thought I had weeks ago. Weeks ago, I though this whole thing is lead by the media conglomerate in the west. They are doing this mainly because the rise of social media is chipping away their once unshakable authority on public discourse. There is also the phenomenon of Donald Trump which dealt crushing blows to the so called Western "Main Stream Media". Now the idea of "establishment" and "authority" has basically become synonymous to EVIL with a capital "E". They (the Western Media conglomerates) desperately need to shake off anything that could associate them with "establishment" and "authority". This is why they will not lose any opportunity to inflate and prolong the protest. They do this to ingratiate their home crowd.

This is why the protest/riot has NEVER dared to really trigger events that would cause dire geopolitical consequences to security of the PRC. They rioters only target HK public space, government building, HK police.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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The foreign religious/cultish paired with localist politics aspects remind me more of the Taiping rebellion.

I think it has no particular resemblance to any of these. Any resemblance is superficial at best.
First of all, the real engine of the Taiping Rebellion is the combination of two things:
1. More than a centuries of porcelain trade between Qing China (made in Jindezheng county of Jiangxi province) and British Empire that rely on only ONE CHINESE EXPORT PORT: Guangzhou.
2. The signing of the Treaty of Nanking, which abolished the monopoly of Cohong (公行) especially the famous Thirteen Factories (十三行), and established 4 more treaty ports in China (which effectively ended Guangzhou's monopoly on China-Europe trade).

These two things in combination fueled the Taiping Rebellion.
 

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"Peaceful pleas to US turn to mayhem as Hong Kong station trashed and burned"
  • "Thousands rally in city’s business district to march to American consulate calling for help from US President Donald Trump
  • But radical faction breaks away setting fire to an entrance at Central MTR station before spreading chaos across Hong Kong Island and Kowloon"
Their seems to be a extreme disconnect between the young people, Hong Kongs future, and the China backed local government. It seems the extradition bill was just a match which lit the accumulated resentment .
The election of the hk assembly, with the chinese government having a say in the eligible candidates was in my view a watershed moment.
The hate for the chinese mainland is characterised by the booing of the chinese national anthem at stadiums(even Indians don't do that to pakistani anthem), historically refering to the chinese mainland ppl as locusts, etc.
China is a large country, they should let Hong Kong have its genuine autonomy, let the people their live as they want, restrict entry of Chinese to Hong Kong.
Maybe after a few decades or maybe even a century, the hong kongers due to economic or cultural reasons, will decide to voluntarily have closer relations with the chinese. Not at the moment though.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Their seems to be a extreme disconnect between the young people, Hong Kongs future, and the China backed local government.
I initially also made that mistake because it is very easy to make. As all of the rioters are young people, it is easy to assume that all the young people are rioters and they represent young people. But as we saw evidence later of other young people fighting them and people in high school raising and saluting the Chinese flag, the picture become more multi-dimensional. All (or most) rioters are young but actually very few young people are rioters. It's easy to lose track of that simply because they are the loudest people garnering the most media attention.
China is a large country, they should let Hong Kong have its genuine autonomy, let the people their live as they want, restrict entry of Chinese to Hong Kong. Maybe after a few decades or maybe even a century, the hong kongers due to economic or cultural reasons, will decide to voluntarily have closer relations with the chinese. Not at the moment though.
That is a good recommendation for you to make to your own government. We Chinese choose to handle our affairs with a different strategy. Just because China is large, it doesn't mean we throw away territory; just because someone is rich, it does not mean he should squander his wealth. In China, we unite territories; we do not move in the opposite way. And even though there may be some teething issues, we rise up and overcome obstacles instead of giving up. That is the Chinese way to progress and growth. Hong Kong is a Chinese territory; Chinese people have the right to go there and its fate is decided by all of China, not just the small group of people who live there.
 
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vincent

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The election of the hk assembly, with the chinese government having a say in the eligible candidates was in my view a watershed moment.
The hate for the chinese mainland is characterised by the booing of the chinese national anthem at stadiums(even Indians don't do that to pakistani anthem), historically refering to the chinese mainland ppl as locusts, etc.

You were not at the receiving end of HKers’ smugness and their ‘holier-than-thou’ for thirty years. They are mad because they are not richer, better educated, more cosmopolitan than lowly uneducated, uncultured savages/hillbillies, a.k.a. mainlanders anymore. The only thing that made them special in their little minds is the Freedom!. I have seen HK morons’ messages online that claim mainlanders don’t understand freedom, as if they are the only ones with the knowledge.

I for one am happy to see HK economy crash because of this.

China is a large country, they should let Hong Kong have its genuine autonomy, let the people their live as they want, restrict entry of Chinese to Hong Kong.

Why doesn’t India lead by example and leave Kashmir alone?
 
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