Hong-Kong Protests

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Why Hong Kong Protesters Are Sawing Down Sensor-Laden Lampposts
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The government confirms that the hardware could spy on citizens, but says protesters’ fears are unfounded.

The most successful surveillance devices are unobtrusive by nature, which means spotting them is difficult and engaging with them directly can be surreal. Cameras that look like
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are cheap and
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. Law-enforcement agencies mount
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microphones in streetlights and perch
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on traffic lights. The DEA hides cameras
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. Marketers track where you get
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.

In Hong Kong, anxieties about the surveillance-tech arms race has fueled the
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against a bill—proposed, then
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, but still
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—that would give officials the authority to extradite suspects to countries without existing extradition agreements with the city. This includes mainland China, a terrifying prospect Hong Kongers say undermines their autonomy and gives China the ability to silence those critical of its government.

The Chinese government is
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sophisticated
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, and evading it requires equally sophisticated tactics. Protesters have been hiding their faces with surgical masks and umbrellas, using burner cellphones, and paying for transit in cash. And, for the past month, they’ve also been
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with electric saws.

Protesters fear these “smart lampposts”—streetlights
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and cameras, perched high above the most densely populated areas of the territory—may have surveillance and facial-recognition capabilities. It’s not been proved or debunked, but the threat is compelling enough that protesters have toppled 20 such lampposts since their rollout in July. “I think that [smart lampposts are] just a trick the government is using to spy on us. It invades our privacy,” a protester who
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“Nick” told the Hong Kong Free Press. Nicholas Yang Wei-hsiung, Hong Kong’s secretary for innovation and technology, has denied the claims, the South China Morning Post reported,
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as “conspiracy theories.”

In a Twitter thread
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, Chris Lau, a reporter with the South China Morning Post, filmed protesters dismantling a lamppost. Holding umbrellas, a handful of them obscured the person holding the saw, while others circled the group, likely lookouts for intervening police. In the footage, sparks fly and protesters exclaim, then cheer, when the lamppost falls. Last week, TickTack Technology Limited, a local firm that was supplying parts for the smart lampposts, announced that it was
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with the Hong Kong government after furnishing supplies for only 50 of the 200 posts it promised. TickTack representatives said in addition to the property damage the company has suffered, its employees
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threats. (TickTack did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Atlantic.)

The Hong Kong government
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that the lampposts have enough hardware to spy on citizens, but says protesters’ fears are unfounded. In July, as the first wave of lampposts were installed around the region, federal officials promised to disable some surveillance features, including license-plate recognition and continuous audiovisual surveillance. Tony Wong, an assistant government chief information officer in Hong Kong,
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that the posts aren’t capable of the invasive facial recognition deployed in China.

That hasn’t stopped the buzz saws. On
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,
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, and
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, protesters have uploaded photos of the sawed-open guts of lamposts. It’s risky to take crowdsourced information at face value in an environment so rife with
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, but the
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that these lamp innards reveal tracking technologies similar to the surveillance systems the Chinese government uses as part of its
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the Uighurs, China’s Sunni Muslim minority group.

Of course, “proving” that the smart lamps use the same repressive technologies wielded against Uighurs requires dismantling and analyzing Chinese surveillance equipment, not just Hong Kong’s. Pictures of RFID cards and ethernet cables don’t demonstrate a direct connection. But suspicions of surveillance are compounding Hong Kongers’ anxieties over the proposed extradition policy. They fear that easier extradition is a step toward second-class citizenship in a Chinese-controlled state.

Protesters reference the Uighurs often in part because surveillance is an enormous part of China’s campaign against them. New York Times reporters covering Uighur repression in the Xinjiang region of western China say
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China turned life into a prison. Chinese police set up facial-scan checkpoints, mandated that Uighurs install monitoring software on their phones, and encouraged neighbors to report one another’s daily activities to the police. Although the bill’s been suspended, protests continue amid calls for Chief Executive Carrie Lam to resign and radical changes to the region’s election system. Whether or not Hong Kong’s lampposts actually transmit data as some believe, for protesters, the threat of Chinese surveillance and an unrestrained police state is politically compelling. It’s the perfect conspiracy theory.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Waving those American flags and singing the US national anthem will only draw more contempt from people. The movement they started to chant for HK independence, was the moment I knew that this protest was deemed to fail because they lost all of their legitimacy and sympathy from the mainlanders. If they sticked with purely fighting for universal suffrage, then they might of actually gotten somewhere.

I agree with your main thrust of you post, but I'll point out the "universal suffrage"! Which I think its an excuse drummed up by outside agitators. Reinforced by MSM

What does this "universal suffrage" mean? It usually mean One man, one vote, right?

In Hong Kong, they have that now (which they didn't have under the "glorious colonial" past)! Which is same as most democratic countries, an inconvenient fact, the MSM don't tell you about!

What is different is that all candidate has to be approved by China. And before any one scream that this is unfair!

Well this system is not many miles away from Great Britain who all elected prospective candidate has to be approved by their respective parties! so it's the same in both countries except China's party is singular.

And in Great Britain, the elected members have to take an oath of loyalty to the Queen, and by the way, she is UNELECTED head of state for life! (and yet the MSM are saying is a bad thing when it apples to Xie)!

So when recently, a few elected members of Hong Kong council refuses to take their oath, and was subsequently unable to take their seat, the western goverments together with their MSM highlighted this as another examples of authoritarian China! Gee.

Furthermore, not all election results leads to majority rule. For example, more people voted for Hillary than Trump. And in Britain, more people voted for Callahan than Thatcher!

So universal suffrage is more complex than the MSM trying to portrait!
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Like I said, let them destroy Hong Kong on their own. The violence is only increasing. Someone is going to eventually die by the protestor's hands and that will open the door for greater action against the protestors. How come these protestor don't go after a PLA garrison in Hong Kong? That shows the limits of their so-called bravery in their cause they say they're willing to die for. These are most spoiled protestors I've ever seen. They want to cry they were sexually abuse because when police dragged a female wearing a skirt on the ground, it exposed her vagina for people to see? If female protestors are wearing skirts and no underwear to a riot, the police should be deploying pepper spray not tear gas. They have no concept of what police are for. They think the police are suppose to enforce what ever they believe and since they're not doing that, they've committed some crime. They think no different from any totalitarian government.
 

duncanidaho

Junior Member
I was just thinking, I don't think any of these guys ever heard of the Chinese exclusion clause. View attachment 53549


They all can try to emigrate to GB and USA, if they like these countries so much. Good Luck!
But tell the truth, these countries don't want them!
If GB and USA want them, they have gave them or their parents the citizenship of their country back 1997!
But in their eyes they are 2nd class citizens and always will be!
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Waving those American flags and singing the US national anthem will only draw more contempt from people. The movement they started to chant for HK independence, was the moment I knew that this protest was deemed to fail because they lost all of their legitimacy and sympathy from the mainlanders. If they sticked with purely fighting for universal suffrage, then they might of actually gotten somewhere.

You think this was ever about the benefits of people in HK? Come on! This was only ever about causing trouble for China, with the aim of pushing China’s buttons and escalating violence until Beijing looses its patience and cracks down hard. Then the Americans can plaster images of dead protesters all over the western media and demand the EU and others join in their trade war, sorry, I mean sanctions against China, so they can stop loosing so badly.


That's the problem with a leaderless movement. You can't really lose since you don't have a head to be cut off, but then there's no head for the other side to negotiate with, much less trust that any settlement will be implemented, so you probably won't win, either.

You really think this movement is ‘leaderless’? Please! There are small armies of social engineers sitting in air-conditioned bunkers somewhere in the US directing botnets to spam fake news and mass vote on choices most likely to escalate tensions.
 

Franklin

Captain
HK crisis is nothing more than a local event with very little overall consequences for China. Unless the PLA or the PAP intervenes which then will become a international issue. As long as the central government stays out HK is just a storm in a tea cup.
 

Gatekeeper

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Great response from the police today, got them cornered in prince edwards subway station, and its now just simply picking them off one by one. Not so brave and arrogant now are we?

There was another clip showing three citzens armed with a hammer stopping the mob from entering the train to escape. And the mob pickef on a woman outside of the train. Go figures!
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
They all can try to emigrate to GB and USA, if they like these countries so much. Good Luck!
But tell the truth, these countries don't want them!
If GB and USA want them, they have gave them or their parents the citizenship of their country back 1997!
But in their eyes they are 2nd class citizens and always will be!

Yes, that's right. The UK NEVER give out "full" British passport without valid reasons. So much for their colonial "gods"!

And as for the USA, well the way Trump thinks all immigrant, sorry all non-anglo/saxon immigrant are bad because they bred crime, blah blah. I would be surprise if he lets any of these in! Except, of course, for Joshua Wong and co. And a nobel price thrown in as well!
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
You think this was ever about the benefits of people in HK? Come on! This was only ever about causing trouble for China, with the aim of pushing China’s buttons and escalating violence until Beijing looses its patience and cracks down hard. Then the Americans can plaster images of dead protesters all over the western media and demand the EU and others join in their trade war, sorry, I mean sanctions against China, so they can stop loosing so badly.




You really think this movement is ‘leaderless’? Please! There are small armies of social engineers sitting in air-conditioned bunkers somewhere in the US directing botnets to spam fake news and mass vote on choices most likely to escalate tensions.

Couldn't agree more!
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
HK crisis is nothing more than a local event with very little overall consequences for China. Unless the PLA or the PAP intervenes which then will become a international issue. As long as the central government stays out HK is just a storm in a tea cup.

But that's the point. It maybe local, but potentialy, it could be a huge win for USA, they just can't loose on this one!

If demostrators didn't win out in the end and it all sizzles out, then the most US lost is money, time and effort! No loss there

If demonstrators win, then it stored up further trouble for the future, and the money, time and effort US spent is ok. Small win there.

If China goes in and photos of "tankman" types of thing gets all over the MSM, the pressure (and it doesn't take alot) on European governments to teamed up with US to sanction the hell out of China to win the trade war that they can't win legitimately leading to a BIG win for the US.

Truth to be told, that was the goal from the start. And don't for one minute think this movement is leaderless. Look at who the US consulate general meet up with recently. FB_IMG_1565191871507.jpg

And "leaders" press brefing

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