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LesAdieux

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being the largest energy importer of the world, China has strategic interest in the gulf region. to pretect its interest China must increase weapon selling to the region and increase military espcially naval presense in the gulf.



Iran Says Russia and China Are Offering Fighter Jets in Show of Support Against US
By Tom O'Connor On 8/29/19 at 3:37 PM EDT


The head of Iran's aerospace sector has announced new offers to purchase fighter jets from Russia and China, two countries supporting the Islamic republic as the United States tried to sever its international ties.

Iran Aviation Industries Organization Director Brigadier General Abdolkarim Banitarafi was one of a number of international defense officials to attend Russia's 2019 International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS). More than 180 foreign companies from nearly 30 nations have reportedly gathered in Zhukovskiy since the event began on August 27. As a United Nations arms embargo on Tehran nears its final year, Banitarafi said Thursday that he was already receiving potential foreign bids to buy and sell weapons.

The general spoke directly of nations looking into Iran's own drones and its Kowsar-88 training jet, saying "different countries are offering us and discussing it, but it all depends on the date that the arms sanctions end," according to the semi-official Tasnim News Agency. He also said Iran may look to purchase new equipment abroad from two major powers.

"The Russians and the Chinese have given us proposals, of course, we have our own proposals, but all of this is in the discussions stage," Banitarafi added.

The U.N. Security Council began imposing arms embargos on Iran in 2006, beginning with restrictions on the transfer of technology that could be used to produce nuclear weapons—including many conventional weapons systems. The council expanded restrictions on Iran's arms exports the following year and began blocking arms shipments to Iran in 2010. A few of these bans were lifted with the signing of a 2015 deal, dubbed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, in which Iran agreed not to pursue a nuclear weapons program, but many are still in place. The U.S.' withdrawal from the agreement last year has further complicated dealings for Iran's prospective business partners.

President Donald Trump abandoned the plan of action in 2018, despite fellow signatories China, the European Union, France, Germany, Russia and the United Kingdom continuing to support it. He claimed it did not go far enough and failed to address Tehran's alleged support for militant groups and its development of missile technology, imposing new unilateral sanctions designed to undermine the Iranian economy.

In October 2020, however, the U.N. arms embargo on Iran is set to expire in what Secretary of State Mike Pompeo deemed last week a "countdown to terror," as he warned Iran would be "unleashed to create new global turmoil." On Wednesday, a day ahead of Banitarafi's remarks at MAKS, the State Department announced new sanctions on "nine entities and individuals based in Iran and one entity based in
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for supporting Iranian proliferation-sensitive procurement efforts," including those linked to Iran's Aviation Industries Organization.

"The Iranian regime continues to foment regional conflicts, develop and proliferate ballistic missiles, hold foreign citizens hostage, brutalize its own people, and sponsor terrorism on an unprecedented scale. It is also expanding its uranium enrichment-related activities," the statement said, adding, "The United States will continue to increase pressure on the Iranian regime until it changes its behavior."

On the anniversary of the U.S.' exit from the nuclear deal and amid the Pentagon's decision to send additional forces to the Middle East, Iran announced it would begin enriching uranium beyond the limit set out in the 2015 nuclear deal, claiming that Europe had failed to live up to its end of the agreement because of the threat of the Trump administration's sanctions. A spat of unrest and heightened tensions in the Persian Gulf immediately followed as Washington and Tehran hardened their opposing stances.

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International restrictions on doing business with Iran's defense industry has hindered the country's ability to update an aging air fleet. Iran's air force currently consists mostly of aging Soviet-era aircraft and a few remaining Western-made planes purchased before the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Western countries first imposed sanctions following the revolt and subsequent overthrow of Iran's monarchy, which was backed by the U.S. and the U.K., with its current clerical leadership. Iran has, however, begun to develop its own warplanes and other aspects of the country's defense industry
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Despite its limited air fleet, Iran has managed to develop the Middle East's largest and most advanced missile arsenal. Banitarafi's organization unveiled a new cruise missile drone called Mobin at the MAKS event on August 27, and also recently introduced two new air defense systems, the Bavar-373 and Khordad-15. Another Iranian system, the Khordad-3, shot down a state-of-the-art, high-flying U.S. drone amid a peak in frictions in the strategic waterways of the Persian Gulf in June.

This incident and others involving foreign oil tankers in the region have prompted the U.S. to form a maritime security group, rallying an alliance
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Australia, Bahrain and the U.K. Iran has rejected the project and has attempted to bolster regional ties with nearby Arab states such as Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates in an effort to secure greater regional cooperation.

Russia and China have backed Iran's diplomatic initiatives and have resisted U.S. sanctions as they too faced economic pressure over opposing policies. As French President Emmanuel Macron
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between Trump and Iranian President Hassan Rouhani at the G-7 summit, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Moscow "will be ready to help achieve" a breakthrough in the ongoing standoff.
 

plawolf

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Interesting for China to offer Iran fighters. I guess Trump has pissed China off sufficiently with trade war, HK and arms sales to Taiwan that China is willing to upset is long time allies like Saudi and Israel just to get back at the US.

It would also make an interesting selection option for Iran, as they can go with either Flankers & J10s, or Mig29s & JF17s to enjoy engine commonality.

Although both possible fighter offerings form China could be problematic in that Pakistan is not on best terms with Iran, making a JF17 deal difficult if not outright impossible; and I think Israel would have the right to feel especially upset about J10 sales to Iran given the help they gave China on things like FBW and AWACS development on top of PL8 missiles etc.

As such, I think if China was making an offer, it would either be trainers like the K8 and L15; or it could be the J31.

But who knows, maybe Chinese arms sales offers are more as a bargaining chip instead of a real desire to make sales.

If America kills its arms sales to Taiwan, China would do likewise got its proposed sale to Iran.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Iran Says Russia and China Are Offering Fighter Jets in Show of Support Against US
By Tom O'Connor On 8/29/19 at 3:37 PM EDT

The general spoke directly of nations looking into Iran's own drones and its Kowsar-88 training jet, saying "different countries are offering us and discussing it, but it all depends on the date that the arms sanctions end," according to the semi-official Tasnim News Agency. He also said Iran may look to purchase new equipment abroad from two major powers.
So they are offering to sell clones of a 60 year old fighter as brand new. I mean sure some of there drones maybe but the Kowsar? The FC-1 easily out classes it and surplus fighters of the Mirage line are still around on the market. As is the F/A50.
"The Russians and the Chinese have given us proposals, of course, we have our own proposals, but all of this is in the discussions stage," Banitarafi added
So he says.
Interesting for China to offer Iran fighters. I guess Trump has pissed China off sufficiently with trade war, HK and arms sales to Taiwan that China is willing to upset is long time allies like Saudi and Israel just to get back at the US.

It would also make an interesting selection option for Iran, as they can go with either Flankers & J10s, or Mig29s & JF17s to enjoy engine commonality.

Although both possible fighter offerings form China could be problematic in that Pakistan is not on best terms with Iran, making a JF17 deal difficult if not outright impossible; and I think Israel would have the right to feel especially upset about J10 sales to Iran given the help they gave China on things like FBW and AWACS development on top of PL8 missiles etc.

As such, I think if China was making an offer, it would either be trainers like the K8 and L15; or it could be the J31.

But who knows, maybe Chinese arms sales offers are more as a bargaining chip instead of a real desire to make sales.

If America kills its arms sales to Taiwan, China would do likewise got its proposed sale to Iran.

If real, the best bet would be for them to get an AWACS, something like the KJ-500 export. The big Russian Be100 or Chinese Kj2000 would be way to maintenance intense.
Iran has shown a deep interest in internal manufacturing as a result of sanctions so any export to them they would try for internal assembly at least.
Since The Iranians have there F5 clones I doubt they would be happy to buy Chinese trainers they might try for radars and avionics as they have been shown with civilian equipment in the cockpits.
The Iranian Air Force F14 are a lost cause. Maintaining them for the long term is hopeless. They have a number of Mig29 in service if they were smart they would try and upgrade those as well as use that as the basis of a new fleet in place of the old Tomcats.
After that try and clear out the inventory with a lighter fighter from there perspective something that they might be able to license the engines for. An Export J10 with license of a Chinese engine and assembly in Iran and some Russian Iranian systems would probably be there want. With that mix of modern Mig 35 Fulcrum and J10 they might be able to clear out the F14 and F4 phantoms as well as some of the other older birds well also updating the Su24 and Su25 they have. Maybe even see about Mi38 and Ka62 to clear out the Huey’s. Of course that’s all a HUGE IF.
 

Mr T

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Interesting for China to offer Iran fighters.

Both Russia and China have been reported as selling fighters to Iran in the past. Nothing ever came of it. This time might be different, but until a sale has been signed and actually announced in public there's no reason to believe it's happening.

If America kills its arms sales to Taiwan, China would do likewise got its proposed sale to Iran.

I don't think Beijing could reasonably expect the US to do that. US support for Taiwan is long-standing, and even when the odd President has seemed to be willing to hang Taiwan out to dry by putting a block on arms sales Congress has stepped in and put pressure on the White House to continue sales.

Also given that the political clearance has been given for the F-16s, it would damage the US' standing with other countries if it backed out because of Chinese pressure. They could genuinely worry that they couldn't trust the US because it might back out of any agreements at any time if China (or another country) objected.

It's impossible to know what Trump actually thinks, not least because he can change his mind several times a week, but given his temperament I don't think he'd react kindly to a Chinese offer to not sell weapons to Iran if the US stopped arms sales to Taiwan. To him there's no link between Iran and Taiwan, so he wouldn't see that as a deal worth signing up to.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Friends,

Do not waste time following Adrian Darya. It will not deliver fuel to Syria (directly) and will instead start to return to Iran via Suez Canal within a few more days. First it must transfer some oil to other tankers because it is too heavy for Suez currently. 3 other Iranian tankers are there and will be ready for this transfer soon.
 

Khalij e Fars

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Yes, unfortunately, I have to agree with you that when Moradi is in form, Tian Tao is very unlikely to beat him, but the new weight classes were very beneficial to Moradi and very damaging to Tian Tao. Moradi was a natural 94 so the 96 class just did him a favor while Tian Tao already rose from 77 to 85 to protect his elbow injury so most people thought he would forget about the Olympics and just be unbeatable in the 89 cat World's. I thought his Olympic career was dead, killed by the restructuring. But Tian Tao ate and ate and had a lot of trouble and eventually grew to 96kg! When he competed as a 96 last year, he was only 93.XX. Even then, I thought he could grow fat but his lifts would not increase by too much. If he could do 180+223, that would be a huge achievement already; I thought it was impossible for him to challenge Moradi, who could easily do 185+230 as a 94. But Tian Tao amazed me and everyone with his progress with his 181+226 and even 236 close attempt in the very first year of growth! We'll see what he can do in the future but I'm already shocked at his progress today. Despite him not being the best Chinese lifter, his competitions excite me the most!

As for Rostami vs Tian Tao, everyone who succeeds must endure pain and failure. Rostami was set to win in London, but he could not. He was molded by his failures to train harder, to be stronger, both mentally and physically before he took his gold in Rio. Moradi was also not successful in his early career, many taunting him as the person who lifts like a champion in training but like a nobody in competition. He even retired briefly from all the depression. But he picked himself up, found his problems, and became the dominant force in 94, winning his gold medal with Rostami. (Even Lu Xiaojun was not successful in his early career; he was 25 when he won his first gold and 28 when he won his Olympic gold.) Neither of them were able to just walk onto the stage and sweep the medals from pure talent, and I see the same story with Tian Tao. He was greatly disappointed with his silver in Rio, but he was young and that disappointment would mold him into a better lifter just like it did for Rostami and Moradi.

@siegecrossbow @Deino @Bltizo Mods, can you please move these posts to the sports thread? Thanks
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/sp...sport-related-here.t1153/page-128#post-564047
Tao is indeed very talented and for sure he is only just hitting his peak, so once he fills into 96kg comfortably he can push Moradi all the way in 2020.

Rostami is not so serious these days, he has problems with the national camp and does not compete much. Rostami was suited to 85kg because it does not seem that he has a large muscular frame like Tao (or sheer genetic strength of Moradi). Besides, Iran cannot send both Moradi and Rostami to the Olympics, and Rostami cannot challenge a fit Moradi. But with the new qualification system I expect Rostami to be competing more because Moradi has a lot of injuries and is not young, so Rostami should be ready to take his chance.

Shi Zhiyong is one of my favourite weightlifters currently (along with Irawan, Moradi and Davoudi). Li Dayin also I think is the future - so young and so much talent. A future world champion for sure!

Best
 

Brumby

Major
Both Russia and China have been reported as selling fighters to Iran in the past. Nothing ever came of it. This time might be different, but until a sale has been signed and actually announced in public there's no reason to believe it's happening.

I agree it is some form of signalling that would not go anywhere. I think Russia will sell if Iran is interested As for the Chinese, I have no idea what is its overall intention as in the past it has expressed interest in selling its fighters but nothing that is remotely of substance come out of it. Even Pakistan has shown little follow through interest in the J-10 beyond the PR front.
 
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