Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics
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Schumacher
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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
With the arrival of the F-22s in Japan & Guam, the task of attacking carriers will reach another level of difficulty for the attackers if the F-22s joined in the carriers' air cover. And if F-22s gained some anti-ship capabilities, the opposing surface ships will be much more easily neutralized.
So how do u attack a carrier ? Continue to work on the stealth capabilities of your SSKs, aircraft, J-xx ?, missiles etc, as well as the BM idea, it's an area worthy of spending more resources to research.
BTW, does the recent ASAT test say much or anything about the maneauverability of PLA's BMs & the viability of their use against carriers ?
With the arrival of the F-22s in Japan & Guam, the task of attacking carriers will reach another level of difficulty for the attackers if the F-22s joined in the carriers' air cover. And if F-22s gained some anti-ship capabilities, the opposing surface ships will be much more easily neutralized.
So how do u attack a carrier ? Continue to work on the stealth capabilities of your SSKs, aircraft, J-xx ?, missiles etc, as well as the BM idea, it's an area worthy of spending more resources to research.
BTW, does the recent ASAT test say much or anything about the maneauverability of PLA's BMs & the viability of their use against carriers ?
Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
China could develop a Destroyer like ship capable of 45 knot speeds and fairly long range and a relatively high cruise speed. Outfit it with a fairly sophisticated ESM suite, heavy point defences, and a belly full of 650mm Wake homing Torps, say 12. Use them to close shadow the fleet, with 4-6 of them operating from differing sides. Due to automation, you could probably cut the crew level down as well...
China could develop a Destroyer like ship capable of 45 knot speeds and fairly long range and a relatively high cruise speed. Outfit it with a fairly sophisticated ESM suite, heavy point defences, and a belly full of 650mm Wake homing Torps, say 12. Use them to close shadow the fleet, with 4-6 of them operating from differing sides. Due to automation, you could probably cut the crew level down as well...
Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
Submarines have the best chance of actually sinking a carrier. My brother was a bubblehead on SSBN-730. Between him and a few guys I knew on LAs and older boats, attack a CV can be done, but it usually spells doom for the attacking boat.
In my opinion, the Oscar SSGN stands the best chance of attacking a CV, flooding it's defenses with missiles and striking leathal hits on the carrier. The Russian attack boats like the Victor I,II,IIIs, Sierras, Alphas and Akulas are very dangerous opponents to any Navy. I believe the Victors may have been removed from service. That could be a mistake on my part. But all of the above attack boats are very fast, can dive very deep and carry excellent torpedoes. I'll ask around about the various Russian boats. I hear a lot of positive reports about the Kilos. But in my opinion, the Oscars are the boats that should be the most fear attack boats.
Aside from attack boats heavy bombers pose a major risk. However, any bomber H-6,T-22/26 or TU-145 has to get within the range of the various surface escorts to launch their weapons. Again, damage to the carrier may not hurt the ship itself, but could kill crewmembers, disable aircraft and elminate the carrier as a command and control base and weapons platform.
Submarines have the best chance of actually sinking a carrier. My brother was a bubblehead on SSBN-730. Between him and a few guys I knew on LAs and older boats, attack a CV can be done, but it usually spells doom for the attacking boat.
In my opinion, the Oscar SSGN stands the best chance of attacking a CV, flooding it's defenses with missiles and striking leathal hits on the carrier. The Russian attack boats like the Victor I,II,IIIs, Sierras, Alphas and Akulas are very dangerous opponents to any Navy. I believe the Victors may have been removed from service. That could be a mistake on my part. But all of the above attack boats are very fast, can dive very deep and carry excellent torpedoes. I'll ask around about the various Russian boats. I hear a lot of positive reports about the Kilos. But in my opinion, the Oscars are the boats that should be the most fear attack boats.
Aside from attack boats heavy bombers pose a major risk. However, any bomber H-6,T-22/26 or TU-145 has to get within the range of the various surface escorts to launch their weapons. Again, damage to the carrier may not hurt the ship itself, but could kill crewmembers, disable aircraft and elminate the carrier as a command and control base and weapons platform.
Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
That won't work. The carrier can detect that ship 600 miles away and send an anti-ship strike well before it knows where the carrier is.
Assymetric warfare is a phrase that has been thrown around a lot lately. Using a carrier battle group to take out a destroyer, you can't get more assymetric than that.
Super long range cruise missiles on an OSCAR Sub still requires a firing solution from a third party. This third party can be engaged and destroyed. Without it your weapon range is useless. Sort of like using a high powered sniper rifle with out a scope.
That won't work. The carrier can detect that ship 600 miles away and send an anti-ship strike well before it knows where the carrier is.
Assymetric warfare is a phrase that has been thrown around a lot lately. Using a carrier battle group to take out a destroyer, you can't get more assymetric than that.
Super long range cruise missiles on an OSCAR Sub still requires a firing solution from a third party. This third party can be engaged and destroyed. Without it your weapon range is useless. Sort of like using a high powered sniper rifle with out a scope.
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coolieno99
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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
SAR (synthetic aperture radar) surveillance satellite can be used to spot and track large ships, even thru cloud covers. Guidance can be provided by GPS satellites. SAR based aircrafts(AWACs and "balance beam" types) can be used also, but they don't have the coverage and range of satellites.
SAR (synthetic aperture radar) surveillance satellite can be used to spot and track large ships, even thru cloud covers. Guidance can be provided by GPS satellites. SAR based aircrafts(AWACs and "balance beam" types) can be used also, but they don't have the coverage and range of satellites.
BLUEJACKET
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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
With long-range anti-radiation missiles (perhaps also mounted on BMs) it's possible to destroy CSG radars and -without those it's blind to any follow on attack. Even if not sunk, a carrier will have to limp back to base or out of range of opposing forces. Also satellites supporting CSGs may be disabled/destroyed to achieve the mission kill.
Oscars are still in the RN service, but they are noisy and easy track. The PLAN may decide to build its own SSGN class or adopt current/future SSNs/SSKs for the role-
With long-range anti-radiation missiles (perhaps also mounted on BMs) it's possible to destroy CSG radars and -without those it's blind to any follow on attack. Even if not sunk, a carrier will have to limp back to base or out of range of opposing forces. Also satellites supporting CSGs may be disabled/destroyed to achieve the mission kill.
Oscars are still in the RN service, but they are noisy and easy track. The PLAN may decide to build its own SSGN class or adopt current/future SSNs/SSKs for the role-
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Schumacher
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Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
Below is a report of an interview of Qi Faren, a CPPCC National Committee member and the chief designer of the Shenzhou spaceships, on the sideline of the ongoing session of the PRC parliament.
When asked, he said the tech from the recent ASAT test can be used to attack carriers. No mention though if indeed PLA is working on such a system.
Before one dismisses it as just some nationalistic rambling, he readily admits China is behind the US in ASAT tech.
In addition, the part abt carrier is only reported by an independent HK newspaper, whereas pro-PRC/official newspapers whose reporters seem to be at the same interview only reported abt what he said on the manned space program.
（香港综合讯）中国工程院院士、神舟飞船总设计师戚发轫说，中国的“导弹打卫星”技术仅次于美国，用这种技术来攻打航空母舰“完全没有问题”。
身为太空技术专家的戚发轫也是全国政协委员，他是在前天出席全国政协分组讨论会时向《明报》记者发表上述谈话。
亲北京的《文汇报》昨天也报道了戚发轫有关中国“导弹打卫星”技术能力已经位居世界第二的谈话，但报道并没有触及攻打航空母舰的部分。估计两份港报是在同一场合访问了戚发轫。.......................
Below is a report of an interview of Qi Faren, a CPPCC National Committee member and the chief designer of the Shenzhou spaceships, on the sideline of the ongoing session of the PRC parliament.
When asked, he said the tech from the recent ASAT test can be used to attack carriers. No mention though if indeed PLA is working on such a system.
Before one dismisses it as just some nationalistic rambling, he readily admits China is behind the US in ASAT tech.
In addition, the part abt carrier is only reported by an independent HK newspaper, whereas pro-PRC/official newspapers whose reporters seem to be at the same interview only reported abt what he said on the manned space program.
（香港综合讯）中国工程院院士、神舟飞船总设计师戚发轫说，中国的“导弹打卫星”技术仅次于美国，用这种技术来攻打航空母舰“完全没有问题”。
身为太空技术专家的戚发轫也是全国政协委员，他是在前天出席全国政协分组讨论会时向《明报》记者发表上述谈话。
亲北京的《文汇报》昨天也报道了戚发轫有关中国“导弹打卫星”技术能力已经位居世界第二的谈话，但报道并没有触及攻打航空母舰的部分。估计两份港报是在同一场合访问了戚发轫。.......................
Re: How Do You Sink A Carrier?
Well, I still think the easiest way to sink a Carrier would be for the Ford Corporation and Microsoft to build it together in the first place:rofl:
Well, I still think the easiest way to sink a Carrier would be for the Ford Corporation and Microsoft to build it together in the first place:rofl: