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zgx09t

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China's July data dump had some interesting stuff if we further scratched under what appeared on the surface.
Credit expansion slowed down a lot more than expected. Upside of this is China now has more rooms to maneuver and offload it across the remainder of the year.
Policy makers must have found a comfort zone to manage all this long haul. Yuan would have eased off to 7.1-7.2 range.
If Jackson Hole meant anything, Jay at least said trade wars hurt in ways he can't fix.
With US15 trillions in zero to negative rates across developed world, there's only one way for the smart money to move: China.
Fed Sept rate cut now baked in around 90%, investment into China debt market seems even more attractive.

China's Growth Is Slowing, but not Because of the Trade War
Nicholas R. Lardy (PIIE)
August 21, 2019 10:15 AM
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President Donald Trump has repeatedly defended his tariff hikes on China by saying that they are not impeding US economic growth but are a main reason why China’s growth is slowing. “China is doing very, very poorly,” Trump told reporters recently, referring to its economy. “The tariffs have really bitten into China. They haven't bitten into us at all." The Chinese economy is so poor, he asserts, Beijing will soon agree to US terms for a trade agreement.

The facts don’t support his claims.

First, as is well known, US taxpayers, not Chinese consumers and companies, are bearing the burden of Trump’s tariffs. The president acknowledged as much when he postponed new tariffs on goods (such as toys and consumer electronics) likely to be purchased during the US holiday shopping season. US tariffs on imports from China will likely subtract about half a percentage point from US GDP growth in 2019.

But second, China’s growth began to slow long before the trade war started (see figure). The pace of growth has moderated from the double-digit pace of 2010 to only 6.2 percent in the most recent quarter. As for the assertion that the trade war has accelerated China’s economic decline, the facts show the opposite. As shown in the figure, the pace of the slowdown has moderated since the initial imposition of tariffs by the United States in July 2018. Most of the slowdown is the result of President Xi Jinping’s ill-advised policy choice of allocating credit and other resources to less efficient state firms rather than private firms. Moreover, since 2017, China has reduced the growth of credit overall in order to reduce financial risk at a time of growing corporate indebtedness, a trend that also contributes to slowing growth throughout the economy.
China's growth began slowing long before the trade war

Third, properly measured, China’s dependence on exports to the United States is not as large as some, including President Trump, may think. China’s exports to the United States before tariffs were imposed ran at $500 billion annually, or 4 percent of its $12.25 trillion GDP, which in theory is a significant number. In fact, the percentage is far less. The potential impact of US tariffs on China’s growth needs to be adjusted to measure only value added by China. GDP is measured in value-added terms; US imports from China are measured in gross sales. The value-added share in US imports from China is about one-half, so the direct contribution to China’s GDP from its sales to the United States is approximately $250 billion or only 2 percent of China’s GDP.

Finally, at least prior to the rollout of new US tariffs on September 1, 2019, only about half of US imports from China were subject to tariffs. So, the potential direct hit to China’s GDP if the sales of these tariff-ridden goods collapsed is even less—about $125 billion, or 1 percent of China’s GDP. That is hardly enough to explain China’s growth slowdown in recent years.

Despite the trade war, US imports of goods from China subjected to tariffs have not collapsed. Overall US imports of goods from China in the first half of 2019 are down about 13 percent or $30 billion. This is a drop in the bucket compared with China’s GDP of almost $7 trillion in the first half of 2019. Moreover, in percentage terms, US exports to China have fallen even faster, with the result that the bilateral trade imbalance, the focus of much of the president’s attention, has declined only 10 percent.

The analysis here does not take into account the indirect effects of the trade war, including any decline in investment that may have resulted from the trade confrontation. Nor does it reflect the potential long-term adverse effect on China’s growth if the United States continues to restrict access to its advanced technology. But as the trade war grinds on, Trump’s claim that they are easy to win is proving elusive, and his conviction that China’s difficulties will persuade its leaders to capitulate to US demands on trade is looking more and more problematic.
 

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Trump losing so bad he's screaming at the Chess board and all the pieces! He's actually practicing "Don't hate the player; hate the game" right now... except he's hating everything LOL

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Trump news: President explodes in astonishing attack on Federal Reserve and orders US companies to cease trading with China 'immediately'
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•August 23, 2019
Cool, so he's the Chosen One, and as of August 23, 2019, the US changed to a centrally planned economy. Cool, cool.
 

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There is one way to STOP a bully in a Trade War - hit the dotard Trump HARD. Trump has a senseless Trade strategy - all talk about getting a deal is BS. Trump is only interested in himself & his re-election. Bullies only learn that when they are retaliated HARD, then they will put their tails in between their legs. The US now shows no interest except its protectionist tendencies. Unless the US elects a more realistic & pragmatic President on 2020, the country (which has already lost respect by many countries) will invite world-wide catastrophe, as is happening now vis-a-vis economic & trade. As in past WWs, a World War usually follows a Trade War.
 

styx

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How kim jong un bended Trump and almighty america? Testing missiles that can reach US metropolitan territory. Time for china to do the same in economic terms.
 

localizer

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How kim jong un bended Trump and almighty america? Testing missiles that can reach US metropolitan territory. Time for china to do the same in economic terms.

World needs to be careful with the cold war old farts in office. If you push them into a corner they will fight to the death.
 
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Donald Trump escalates trade war and raises tariffs to 30 per cent on US$250bn of Chinese imports
  • Stocks sent reeling US president retaliates on same day that Beijing announces duties on US$75 billion of American products
  • Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece hits back at ‘barbaric measures’ and says some Americans are sacrificing the interests of its people
Updated: 12:28pm, 24 Aug, 2019
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US President Donald Trump said on Friday that he would increase tariffs on Chinese imports, the latest escalation on a day that saw him characterise Chinese President Xi Jinping as an “enemy” and call on American companies to stop doing business with China.

Trump’s latest escalation in the bilateral trade war raises the 25 per cent rate on US$250 billion worth of goods to 30 per cent, effective from October 1, and pushes the 10 per cent tariff on US$300 billion worth of goods to 15 per cent starting September 1.

The moves were Trump’s full-throttle response to China’s announcement earlier on Friday that it would impose tariffs of as much as 10 per cent
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The official Communist Party mouthpiece, People’s Daily, responded to the “barbaric measures” in a sharply worded commentary early on Saturday rebuking “some Americans” for sacrificing the interests of its people and hurting its own manufacturing, crude oil and soybean industries.

Published under the pseudonym “Wuyuehe”, the piece said China’s latest tariffs were countermeasures to America’s unilateral escalation of the trade conflict, adding that China was determined to fight back “until the end”.

“This kind of provocation only harms others and does not benefit anyone, and has already approached the limits of what the American people can tolerate,” it said.

“China’s will to defend the core interests of the country and the fundamental interests of the people is indestructible, and will not fear any challenge,”

“History will prove that the side on the path of fairness and justice will have the last laugh.”

Trump’s comments earlier in the day, which also included an “order” to Amazon, Federal Express, UPS and other logistics companies to search for the opioid fentanyl in shipments from China,
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and prompted calls from the US Chamber of Commerce and other industry associations for a cessation of the trade hostilities. The Dow Jones Industrial Average closed down 2.6 per cent, losing more than 600 points to 25,628, after a series of tweets by the president. The Nasdaq dropped 3 per cent.

Trump announced the additional tariffs after the markets closed.

"Mr President, we implore you to end this trade war before the damage is irreversible,” Brian Dodge, chief operating officer of the Retail Industry Leaders Association, said in a statement following today's announcement of higher tariffs on US$550 billion worth of Chinese goods.

“The President’s continued escalation of tariffs has already rattled the U.S. market,” Dodge said. “If uncertainty spreads from Wall Street to Main Street, the record expansion we’re enjoying will undoubtedly come to an end and it will be the American consumer, not China, who will suffer.”

However, a de-escalation in the trade hostilities is unlikely because neither side sees any political upside to offering concessions, said Bill Reinsch, a senior adviser in international business at the Washington-based think tank Centre for Strategic and International Studies.

Trump “wants to keep bullying China and China wants to keep telling the rest of the world that they are the good guy here,” Reinsch said.

Ian Bremmer, president of the New York-based political consultancy, agreed.

“Trump really doesn’t want the economy to tank,” Bremmer said in a Twitter post soon before news of the US leader’s latest move.

“But if he’s headed for confrontation with China anyway (and he is), he’d rather take the hit way before elections. Implies escalation from US soon.”

Trump’s second barrage of tweets on Friday, which announced the higher tariffs on Chinese goods, did not explain how or when US companies would be expected to comply with his order earlier in the day to find “an alternative to China”.

“Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME and making your products in the USA,” he said.

In the meantime, US industry associations were left trying to defend their supply chains with China.

“For two and a half years we have been promised a new and innovative approach, yet what we’ve been given is a 1930s trade strategy that will be a disaster for American consumers, American businesses and the American economy,” Rick Helfenbein, president of the American Apparel & Footwear Association, said soon after Trump announced his latest tariff moves.

“Meanwhile, the president has said he wants American businesses to stop working in China, yet he doesn’t seem to understand that moving a supply chain is incredibly complicated and expensive,” Helfenbein said.

“It takes years to build relationships that meet compliance standards and deliver quality products, yet we have been given weeks and in this case days.”
 

styx

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in the thirties a car wasn't built with components fabricated in 10 diverse countries, Trump is destroying american economy, china will suffer short term slowdown but the damages that trump is doing to us corporations is immense.
 
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China's economy posts high-quality growth in first half
Xinhua| 2019-08-24 00:03:40
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Despite headwinds and downward pressure, China has maintained its momentum in high-quality economic growth since the beginning of 2019, reported the country's top economic planner and finance ministry Friday.

With its GDP up 6.3 percent, China added 7.37 million new urban jobs in the first half of 2019, and the surveyed urban unemployment rate stood at around 5 percent, said He Lifeng, head of the National Development and Reform Commission, while giving a report on implementation of the national economic and social development plan at a bi-monthly legislative session of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress.

During the same period, the country's consumer prices rose 2.2 percent, and foreign exchange reserves remained above 3 trillion U.S. dollars, according to He.

"There are more positive factors contributing to high-quality growth, sustaining sound economic and social development," He said.

Domestic demand contributed 79.3 percent to economic growth in H1, and service consumption accounted for 49.4 percent of the final consumption expenditure of residents, indicating strong performance of China's economy.

"China will make sure that policies related to cutting taxes and fees are well implemented," said Liu Kun, minister of finance, stressing tax reduction in the sectors of manufacturing, construction and transportation.

The goverment will also work to prevent and defuse the risks of implicit local government debt, Liu added.
 

Gatekeeper

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Cool, so he's the Chosen One, and as of August 23, 2019, the US changed to a centrally planned economy. Cool, cool.

I just love that! He actually said "I'm the chosen one" in a live TV broadcast!

If I or anyone else had said that in public, they will quickly call the emergency responders to carry us away in a white jacket that have straps on the back! Lol
 

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Donald Trump escalates trade war and raises tariffs to 30 per cent on US$250bn of Chinese imports
  • Stocks sent reeling US president retaliates on same day that Beijing announces duties on US$75 billion of American products
  • Chinese Communist Party’s mouthpiece hits back at ‘barbaric measures’ and says some Americans are sacrificing the interests of its people
Updated: 12:28pm, 24 Aug, 2019

Bring it on!
 
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