Hong-Kong Protests

If the world could gang-up on China, it would've happened already. What's more important than their "values" is greed. Values is all about covering up their greed. Trump tried to get Brazil into an alliance to corner China. Problem is success would mean Brazil loses the China market and the US gains it. Every notion of a gang-up alliance against China whether it was with Brazil, TPP, or allies caught in Trump's trade war wishing Trump just allied with them and going after China together meant the US would be the primary benefactor and everyone else would lose out. Remember when China and Japan were arguing over territorial disputes and trade between the dropped like a rock? Japan's Western allies were glad to fill the gap left by the Japanese not once thinking about helping their ally.The EU was worried when Trump was talking about how a deal with China was near that they would be left out and demanded quotas for themselves on China buying their products. The only way they could all benefit would be the US would have invade and takeover and carve up China and force China to sign unequal treaties like over a hundred years ago. What are the chances that's going to happen again when they were afraid to take on North Korea with one nuke. Even if they managed to isolate China, they would have a giant North Korea to deal with. How would the Chinese feel when they see the world trying to destroy China. The Chinese will want to destroy them especially neighbors. What naïve Asians wish the US would do, is their worst nightmare. They don't think about it because they believe the US will come to the rescue when all you see is everyone expect the other to do all the dirty work while they do nothing. Obama's Pivot to Asia failed because it. What's happening in Hong Kong isn't going to encourage the world to do something they would've already done if they had that power. It's those Hong Kong activists that just want to desperately feel they're worth it to the rest of the world. Trump's rhetoric encouraged the mass murder of 22 people in El Paso. The worst casualty for Hong Kong protestors was one of their own was shot in the eye with a rubber bullet who wasn't killed. They want the world to send their armies to free Hong Kong from China...? They ain't gonna die for Hong Kong.

I sincerely think the Hong Kongers should protest even more. Burn some more Chinese flags and parade around with US flags/ UK union jack etc. It will only enhance the will of the mainlanders and embolden their nationalism. Imagine the blood boiling on the mainland when they see their nation's flag getting thrown into the bay or emblems get inked...It would be too much. The problem is that Hong Kong has been living in a bubble of elitism and relative prosperity and it enjoyed looking down on mainlanders (who HK elites often put down as uncivilized and crude). NO MORE. Pockets of prosperity and opportunity that rivals HK has been growing in Chinese mainland ( Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzen...) even chengdu can be more appealing considering the property prices and deteriorating quality of life in HK. The HK youth has woken up to this stark reality. But their tactics will not work if they can't win over the mainland people's minds. Attacking emblems and flag will never achieve that. It will only make the people of the mainland that they were taught to look down upon more patriotic. I LIKE IT A LOT.
The best decision for China is to maintain the status and resort to rhetoric. "Liberate Hong Kong" - A statement so asinine, i let out a chuckle every-time i read it.

I say pay North Korea to nuke'em. /s

Under the Lion rock. A great song sung beautifully by Chen Jia.

And great views of Hong Kong in happier times. Hong Kong, my birthplace, my home!

I never get tired to listening and watching this video, and it always bring a tear or two to my eyes.

Enjoy guys

Xsizor said:

I sincerely think the Hong Kongers should protest even more. Burn some more Chinese flags and parade around with US flags/ UK union jack etc. It will only enhance the will of the mainlanders and embolden their nationalism. Imagine the blood boiling on the mainland when they see their nation's flag getting thrown into the bay or emblems get inked...It would be too much. The problem is that Hong Kong has been living in a bubble of elitism and relative prosperity and it enjoyed looking down on mainlanders (who HK elites often put down as uncivilized and crude). NO MORE. Pockets of prosperity and opportunity that rivals HK has been growing in Chinese mainland ( Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzen...) even chengdu can be more appealing considering the property prices and deteriorating quality of life in HK. The HK youth has woken up to this stark reality. But their tactics will not work if they can't win over the mainland people's minds. Attacking emblems and flag will never achieve that. It will only make the people of the mainland that they were taught to look down upon more patriotic. I LIKE IT A LOT.
The best decision for China is to maintain the status and resort to rhetoric. "Liberate Hong Kong" - A statement so asinine, i let out a chuckle every-time i read it.

I say pay North Korea to nuke'em. /s

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I think that's the wrong attitude to take because it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face. HK is a part of China, and HKers have the right to the same security and stability that the rest of Chinese enjoys.

HK has exceptional circumstances, but they are still our brethren.

solarz said:

I think that's the wrong attitude to take because it's just cutting off your nose to spite your face. HK is a part of China, and HKers have the right to the same security and stability that the rest of Chinese enjoys.

HK has exceptional circumstances, but they are still our brethren.

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But will the HK people ever share the concerns for the country? Growing seperatism and localist/nativist movements are some of the most efficient tools used by adversaries to divide Greater China. The Green Party of Taiwan is an example. The taiwanese are considering themselves Taiwanese primarily rather than Chinese. They have tapped into nativist ideology and cultural differences, however minute, for ideological and political gains. Tsai Ing Wen is a product of this. She considers herself Taiwanese first and foremost then maybe Chinese. The same is the case for Hong Kongers.
Hong Kongers are more likely to cheer and support if and when foreign forces (hypothetically) arrive into China. They are either pure traitorous or selfish or both. National Interests may never find a place in their calculus. I'd blame the educational system as well as Anglical infiltration of the local cantonese culture that fosters elitism and seperatism.

Here's another good perspective on the Hong Kong issue.

Published time: 23 Aug, 2019 02:30Edited time: 23 Aug, 2019 12:26

© Reuters / Kim Kyung-Hoon
YouTube has disabled 210 channels for posting content related to the Hong Kong protests “in a coordinated manner,” following in the footsteps of Facebook and Twitter in restricting its arbitrary censorship to pro-China accounts.

“Channels in this network behaved in a coordinated manner while uploading videos related to the ongoing protests in Hong Kong,” Google threat analyst Shane Huntley claimed in a blog post on Thursday, adding that the Google team’s “discovery” was “consistent with recent observations and actions related to China announced by Facebook and Twitter.”

Translation? The channels were “sowing political discord” on behalf of the Chinese government, and had to be stopped. How did Google know it was the Chinese nefariously attempting to poison the minds against the protesters? The “use of VPNs” and “other methods of disguise” – widespread in the era of mass surveillance – was all the proof required to wipe the channels out of existence.

Twitter got the anti-China censorship ball rolling earlier this week, in perhaps the first-ever social media preemptive strike “proactively” deplatforming hundreds of thousands of accounts for the capital crime of “sowing discord.” Their crimes included “undermining the legitimacy and political positions of the protest movement on the ground.” One could argue that the protests themselves are a form of political discord, but resistance is futile when charged with such an inchoate offense.

None of the social media platforms have ever defined what exactly constitutes “attempting to sow discord,” though a common thread running through the mass deplatformings of the past year suggests it involves posting in support of a government the US doesn’t like – whether Russia, Iran, Venezuela, or China.

The social media Ministry of Truth has become increasingly open about the irrelevance of truth in what constitutes actionable disinformation. One group of “experts” in the spread of disinfo online even published a paper this week explaining that true statements could constitute if they were arranged to serve a purpose, calling for platforms to expand their definition of “inauthentic behavior” to include anyone reposting information portraying the “good guys” in a negative light.

The Chinese government challenged Twitter to explain its decision to ban state-owned media from advertising, asking “Why is it that China’s official media’s presentation is surely negative or wrong?”

Beijing has pointed to a US role in fanning the flames of unrest, a charge that grows more plausible with every day the protests continue despite having succeeded in forcing the Hong Kong government to withdraw a bill that would have allowed criminal suspects to be extradited to China. Armies of pro-protest tweeters swarm any post by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo with pleas to intervene in their plight, even as US lawmakers threaten to rain down fire and fury should anyone harm a hair on a protester’s head. And photos of the protest leaders meeting with US diplomats suggest there is certainly some “coordinated inauthentic behavior” at play on the other side.

YouTube, as a subsidiary of Google, has been exposed as even more partisan than Twitter’s arbiters of truth. A whistleblower released nearly 1,000 pages of internal documentation earlier this month showing YouTube’s algorithms were aimed more at shaping reality than at accurately portraying it. The platform removed Iranian state media channels as Washington ramped up tensions with Tehran in the Strait of Hormuz, and its deactivation of pro-China channels now suggests the protests - despite achieving their initially stated goal – are far from over.

Helen Buyniski

Helen Buyniski is an American journalist and political commentator, working at RT since 2018

now noticed the tweet

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China respects the decision of the Canadian consulate in to suspend local staff travel to the mainland, FM spokesperson said on Fri, adding, but one should be extra careful if there is an ulterior motive and China always respects legal rights.

manqiangrexue said:

What are you talking about? Nobody is willing to go to war with China over this, and China has the nukes to keep MAD in place. Stop thinking that as long as a country has liberal media to say bad things about China, that country wants to fight China.


What's your point? This isn't 1951. Now we have DF-5, 31, 31A, 31B, 41, ZF soon too.


Hahahahahaha NO. Let them loot trash their own city and turn themselves into hobos. The longer they do it, the more hate they garner form the local Hong Kong population and well as from the rest of China. Let's see how long they can keep ruining their own lives. China's economy is insulated from this. Never give rioters anything that they want; it encourages future bad behavior. It is like giving terrorists money to not be a terrorist for a day.

And China still hasn't deployed a tactic that I would put before a military intervention, which is to round up some million patriotic able-bodied Chinese citizens, get them all in red t-shirts to counter the black t-shirts, arm them with steel pipes and pour them across the border to absolutely beat these rioters to high hell, private citizen vs. private citizen. I'd buy a plane ticket to volunteer.


Because governments don't negotiate with punk rioting kids. "Binding treaties" are until one side pulls out, as Trump shows us. And to be frank, the British have no illusions that they can force China to stay in if China wants out anyway.


Build your country based on yourself if you want it be strong. Countries built on the opinions of the international communities are weak and spineless. This is China's affair. If push comes to shove, China will do what it needs within its borders, and if anyone thinks it's Beijing's "fault" they can pound sand. If they want to make a problem of it, we can go to war. This is a China that nobody can bully.

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The more we debate with him, the more I think something is missing! I can't put my finger on it, but something is definitely not there. As we said, there's a couple of penny short of a full shilling somewhere.