Hong-Kong Protests

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In fact, many older-generation HKers were losers of the CCP's political agenda and victims of CCP's political persecutions from the 1940's to 1970s (before Reform and Opening up). Yes, HKers welcome business opportunities resulting from China's post-1978 economic reform, but they will never trust the CCP Party State due to historical and ideological reasons.

That hit the nail on the head! And it goes a long way in explaining the attitudes of the current mob.

When I was a student of economics, I did my last year's dissertation on "Hong Kong's post war economic developments ".

During my research, I discover Hong Kong's population was decimated after the war to about (from memories) less than half a miilion. Mainly of indigenous population (people that was descended from the original inhabitants when the British took over).

Then from 1949 (PRC took over) to 1959, the population went up to approx 2.5 million. Much of the increases come from refugees from China. These Chinese ALL have an axe to grind. They all lost properties, or forced out of their jobs or just simply they are nationalist. They all have one thing in common, their hatred towards the CCP!

During this time (which is where we got fighting between the factions in the 50s and 60s). I remembered the nationalist celebrate national day on the 10th Oct with gusto all around Hong Kong.

Now their hatred for the CCP and support for the nationalist have been passed on to three generations to the current mob.

I have experienced talking to the current mob. They all speak the same narratives as the previous generation. And it really doesn't matter what we said. The fact is CCP in their eyes are devil in disguise, even if they done good (I 'm not saying they are always good) like lifting millions out of poverty! They will still criticize it.

They hatred seem ingrained!
 

SpicySichuan

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But this article wasn't written by any Hong Konger; it was written by a Nick Taber and published in a small Western outlet. It doesn't represent what Hong Kongers think; it represents what an anti-Chinese Westerners imagines is going on. This person at most has visited China a few times, looking for evidence to fit into his story while writing off counter-evidence as state veneer. I can understand the value of trying to understand what Hong Kongers think to win a mental victory but this piece is useless for that. This is Western propaganda that only pulls further from the truth; it does not contain any keys to understanding between the Chinese in Hong Kong and Mainland but contains only fabricated toxin designed to divide Chinese people against each other and their government.

I think when it comes to trying to understand the rioters, the videos of them arguing are the best we have.

This article only serves to show that Western media attempts to vilify China through both ignorance and dishonesty, and we already knew that.

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Person of Color Column: I am from Hong Kong, not China
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On Apr 21, 2019 Last updated Apr 26, 2019

I am from a city owned by a country that I don’t belong to.

Britain colonized Hong Kong as a consequence of the Opium War in 1842. While China gave up part of Hong Kong permanently to Britain—the New Territories, which
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, was also under British control in a 99-year lease. In 1997, when the lease ended, the British government decided to give all of Hong Kong back to the People’s Republic of China, known just as China today, as a “special administrative region” subordinated by China’s government.

To eliminate panic caused by the change, China promised to practice “one country, two systems,” which guaranteed that everything in Hong Kong would stay the same and operated on a separate political system from other cities in China for 50 years.

China appoints a chief executive every five years after a conditional election among the election committee. Hong Kong’s legal system is embedded within a supreme law called the Basic Law, while citizens elect their legislators in the Legislative Council every four years.

I grew up learning that my city’s core values were rooted in the freedoms granted by the Basic Law, including freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, and freedom of press and publication. Myself and many people from Hong Kong take pride in being somewhat politically separated from China, which is governed by the Chinese Communist Party that notoriously
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and
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. Many citizens even call themselves “Hongkonger” which the
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later adopted in 2014.

The outbreak of the Umbrella Revolution, a 79-day occupying movement in 2014 when people asked for universal suffrage in electing the chief executive, put a spotlight on people’s ethnic identification. According to
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, as of December 2018, 40 percent of citizens identify themselves as Hongkongers, as opposed to 15 percent who define themselves as Chinese. Less than 4 percent of the young generation ages 18 through 29 identified as Chinese in 2017,
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.

Hongkongers ally with Taiwan, officially known as the Republic of China, which lost control of mainland China to the communist party in the Chinese Civil War in 1949. Unlike Hong Kong, Taiwan has almost no governmental connection with China. Taiwanese citizens even possess the right to elect their president, governors, and legislators democratically. However, people from Taiwan face the same identity crisis as Hongkongers.

One of my Taiwanese friends at Emerson adopted the “Chinese” identity, even though she told me she loves Taiwan. She said she does not feel strong enough to fight over her identity with her Chinese friends. Last semester, after my friend and I presented a final project about
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,” where they hold more than a million Muslims in China for genocide, a Chinese student discredited our presentation for being too political.

International students from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and other places in relation to China face backlash for not identifying as Chinese. Chemi Lhamo, the newly elected student union president of the University of Toronto Scarborough,
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because of her Tibetan identity.
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gathered more than 10,000 signatures calling for Lhamo to step down because of her pro-independence statements regarding Tibet and Taiwan.

“We strongly disagree with Lhamo’s political statements and her participation in political campaigns that were clearly against Chinese history, Chinese laws, and Chinese students’ rights,” wrote a student who started the petition online after Lhamo was elected in March.

Chinese international students have become a prominent group at most U.S. schools in recent years. They made up nearly 60 percent of Emerson’s undergraduate international student population in fall 2018, according to the college’s Impact Report on Internationalization.

While it is globally agreed that Hong Kong and Taiwan are different entities from China politically, socially, and financially, it is important for colleges to be politically correct by educating themselves on international politics.

During my orientation in last fall, the School of Communication’s
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listed my hometown as “Hong Kong, China.” This move might flatter most of the Chinese students at Emerson, yet it upsets me to see how unaware the college is to this topic.

If the college promotes their education abroad programs to broaden students’ global vision, they must be more cognizant and knowledgeable of the places they accept students from and send students to.

I have never felt so desperate to find other people from Hong Kong and advocate for my culture. I recognize the absence of that voice on campus for Taiwanese, Hongkongers and other Chinese minority groups.

At my previous college in Seattle, faculty members hosted a panel that I spoke on alongside other students from Hong Kong, China, and Taiwan. Throughout the event, we touched on similarities and differences between the three cultures and educated the audience on controversial advocacy in Hong Kong and Taiwan. At the end of the panel, everyone seemed to leave with lingering curiosity to continue the conversation and an understanding of differences between us.

Instead of avoiding sensitive political topics to stay away from conflict, there should be more discussions on these issues to provide different students with an inclusive platform to voice their opinions. Everyone, including students from China or Hong Kong, should keep their minds open for new information and perspectives so as to learn from others.

It’s easy to exclude dissidents, but that only reinforces the problem and enlarges the gap between different nationalities. People should acknowledge the differences and participate in those conversations, despite all of the political tension within these places. This is important to provide a comfortable environment for people to identify themselves as who they want to be.

Although it was difficult facing judgment and disdain as one of the few Hongkongers at Emerson, I will strongly hold onto that identity because I am proud and I want to tell people where my actual home is.
 

SpicySichuan

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That hit the nail on the head! And it goes a long way in explaining the attitudes of the current mob.

When I was a student of economics, I did my last year's dissertation on "Hong Kong's post war economic developments ".

During my research, I discover Hong Kong's population was decimated after the war to about (from memories) less than half a miilion. Mainly of indigenous population (people that was descended from the original inhabitants when the British took over).

Then from 1949 (PRC took over) to 1959, the population went up to approx 2.5 million. Much of the increases come from refugees from China. These Chinese ALL have an axe to grind. They all lost properties, or forced out of their jobs or just simply they are nationalist. They all have one thing in common, their hatred towards the CCP!

During this time (which is where we got fighting between the factions in the 50s and 60s). I remembered the nationalist celebrate national day on the 10th Oct with gusto all around Hong Kong.

Now their hatred for the CCP and support for the nationalist have been passed on to three generations to the current mob.

I have experienced talking to the current mob. They all speak the same narratives as the previous generation. And it really doesn't matter what we said. The fact is CCP in their eyes are devil in disguise, even if they done good (I 'm not saying they are always good) like lifting millions out of poverty! They will still criticize it.

They hatred seem ingrained!
And keep in mind that many South Vietnamese refugees also became HKers in the 1970s. Therefore, HK is indeed an anti-CCP base for ethnic Chinese who are not willing to be subjugated by the CCP. The Brits literally handed Beijing an ideological timed bomb back in 1997. From HKers' perspective, they expected Beijing to be a liberal democracy by 2047. Otherwise, there would be no point being part of China.
 

Skywatcher

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Because that's the fact on the ground. The fact is that when lies become something people are willing to strongly believe, fight, and die for, it becomes political ideology. That's why you got to be willing to step into your enemies' shoes in order to understand why they are staunchly opposed to what you believe in. If you want to defeat your enemy, you got to understand where they are coming from, what their values are, and why they are willing to fight. I think both Chinese and non-Chinese have been shocked to find out how assertive HKers are in opposing Beijing. Yet, nobody on Beijing's side seem willing to understand his or her opponents. HKers are ethnic Chinese who grow up studying political liberalism and market economy, despite being UK's second-class citizens. How do you expect them to think and behave like Mainland Chinese - who grew up seeing the success of the CCP political mobilizations, experiencing a dual economy where private firms support state industries in implementing state's developmental goals, and glorification of a strong central Party State in executing developmental goals and lifting millions out of poverty? In fact, many older-generation HKers were losers of the CCP's political agenda and victims of CCP's political persecutions from the 1940's to 1970s (before Reform and Opening up). Yes, HKers welcome business opportunities resulting from China's post-1978 economic reform, but they will never trust the CCP Party State due to historical and ideological reasons. However, from a Mainlander's perspective, of course the HKers are nothing but traitors working with the PRC's strategic competitors in splitting China and not appreciating what the PRC has achieved since 1978. The bottom line is that HKers and Mainland Chinese experienced completely different histories and political ideologies.
Why would the CCP even bother talking to the protesters? It's obvious Beijing holds all the cards, and ever since that airport debacle last week, the protesters can't escalate to violence.

Beijing and the local government can easily wait out mass marches like they did in 2014.
 

Skywatcher

Captain
And keep in mind that many South Vietnamese refugees also became HKers in the 1970s. Therefore, HK is indeed an anti-CCP base for ethnic Chinese who are not willing to be subjugated by the CCP. The Brits literally handed Beijing an ideological timed bomb back in 1997. From HKers' perspective, they expected Beijing to be a liberal democracy by 2047. Otherwise, there would be no point being part of China.
So? Hong Kong has to remain part of China, otherwise there's no economic rationale for its existence.
 

2handedswordsman

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Nice question by this man. Mention the corrupted one's! PRC government, or the bankers under the blessings of the Crown?

This confused mass of mostly young people, seems to have some pseydonationalistic and anti left-wing motivations. Lost cause IMO , the facts are hugely bending against them. And we see a very passive stance of the legal authorities

Wondering about any foreign attempts to interfere the situation.

Meanwhile LOL those armoured vehicles in Shenzen
 

Brumby

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Hong Kong readies for more mass protests after huge, peaceful rally
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HONG KONG: Hong Kong is gearing up for further protests this week after hundreds of thousands of anti-government demonstrators braved heavy rain to rally peacefully on Sunday (Aug 18), marking a change to what have often been violent clashes.

Sunday's massive turnout, which organisers put at 1.7 million, showed that the movement still has widespread support despite chaotic scenes last week when protesters occupied the Chinese-ruled city's airport.

Some activists had apologised for the airport turmoil and on Sunday night protesters could be seen urging others to go home peacefully.

Police said on Monday that while Sunday's demonstration was mostly peaceful, there were breaches of the peace in the evening when some protesters defaced public buildings and aimed laser beams at officers.

It was a far cry from the violent clashes between protesters and riot police throughout the summer, with activists storming the legislature and targeting China's main Liaison Office in the city. The weekend was also noteworthy for a lack of tear gas use by police.
 

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Hong Kong protests: Twitter and Facebook remove Chinese accounts

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Twitter and Facebook have taken steps to block what they described as a state-backed Chinese misinformation campaign.

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it said were being used to “sow political discord in Hong Kong”.

The network said the accounts originated in mainland China and were part of a coordinated attempt to undermine the “legitimacy and political positions of the protest movement”.

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it had, after being tipped off by Twitter, removed "seven Pages, three Groups and five Facebook accounts.”

"They frequently posted about local political news and issues including topics like the ongoing protests in Hong Kong,” said Nathaniel Gleicher, Facebook's head of cybersecurity policy.

"Although the people behind this activity attempted to conceal their identities, our investigation found links to individuals associated with the Chinese government."

In addition to the 936 specific accounts, Twitter said as many as 200,000 other accounts, designed to amplify the misinformation, were “proactively” suspended before becoming "substantially active”.

"Based on our intensive investigations,” the firm said in a statement, “we have reliable evidence to support that this is a coordinated state-backed operation.

"Specifically, we identified large clusters of accounts behaving in a coordinated manner to amplify messages related to the Hong Kong protests.”

It added: "We will continue to be vigilant, learning from this network and proactively enforcing our policies to serve the public conversation.”

The move came after Twitter was intensely criticised at the weekend for allowing China’s Xinhua news agency to buy sponsored posts on the network. Twitter said
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"Going forward, we will not accept advertising from state-controlled news media entities,” the company said. "Any affected accounts will be free to continue to use Twitter to engage in public conversation, just not our advertising products.”

Twitter said the new policy did not, however, apply to "to taxpayer-funded entities, including independent public broadcasters”.
 

Brumby

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In Pictures: New Hong Kong protest ads urging int’l help appear in 11 newspapers worldwide

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Advertisements urging international support for Hong Kong’s protest movement appeared in 11 newspapers across ten countries on Monday.

The ads were part of a new campaign to raise awareness of the summer’s anti-extradition law demonstrations. In total, 18 ads will be published in 13 countries between Tuesday and August 30.
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“Amid tear gas and rubber bullets, this once vibrant and safe metropolis is at a crossroads. Since the protests against the controversial extradition bill started in June, Hong Kong’s autonomy and freedom have been eroded beyond recognition. This is the ugly truth that the Hong Kong government does not want you to know: Hong Kong is becoming a police state,” the ads said.

“Instead of implementing political reform as promised, the Hong Kong government has turned into an apparatus of repression. Police brutality, endorsed by both the Hong Kong and Chinese governments, has now become part of our daily lives,” they added.
 

Brumby

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“In the name of public order, the police dehumanise protesters as ‘cockroaches’ and deploy certain anti-riot measures prohibited by international standards. The police also batter passers-by, journalists and medical personnel. Police stations are shut whenever alleged thugs-for-hire indiscriminately attack protesters and ordinary citizens,” the statement continued.

“Arbitrary arrests and political prosecutions are becoming increasingly common. These are all tactics of the Hong Kong government to intimidate its own people into silence.”
 
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