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In court that is extremely unlikely for such charges to stand and be proven.

But in the case of gmail, I don't think a device even needs to masquerade as another device. As far as I know, Google cannot require devices to supply device information while still supporting IMAP protocol. The protocol does not involve sending device and client information to mail servers. Google would need to have control of both client (via Gmail app) and server in order to block service to a specific device or client, so as long as a non Google anonymous mail client is used, it is technically impossible for Gmail to detect what device is accessing the service.

I get a better idea of what you mean now. So, no problem if you're using Outlook to receive and send mail with a Gmail account, although the problem still remains that if your device is blocked, you still can't download Gmail apps and other Google apps.
 
I get a better idea of what you mean now. So, no problem if you're using Outlook to receive and send mail with a Gmail account, although the problem still remains that if your device is blocked, you still can't download Gmail apps and other Google apps.

Yes, exactly. Gmail and other Google apps are a no go, but using another mail client should still work, just as using Outlook or Mozilla Thunderbird would. Huawei can even make their own email app, and as long as it uses basic standard IMAP protocol to communicate with mail servers, I don't think Gmail or any other email service would be able to detect that the device or email client used are from Huawei.
 

taxiya

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Hmm.. technically how can Google keep supporting IMAP while still blacklisting certain devices? I just don't see how Google would be able to enforce that in a foolproof manner, given limitations of the protocol.
You are right about that, BUT email service is only one of the many services that google provides, circumventing just email won't be enough to convince people to hold on to Huawei. It is a tough choice for common people with zero technology to trick and circumvent like you and me.

P.S. in my post I was talking about all G-services.
 
You are right about that, BUT email service is only one of the many services that google provides, circumventing just email won't be enough to convince people to hold on to Huawei. It is a tough choice for common people with zero technology to trick and circumvent like you and me.

P.S. in my post I was talking about all G-services.

Yes, the Huawei ecosystem would need solid alternatives to all of Google's apps and services. I was mainly focussing on Gmail as an example, I did not mean to suggest that Gmail would be the only application/service that a workaround is needed for. In China, there are already excellent alternative to all of other Google's apps and services, but these would need to be internationalized as well. I think the biggest obstacles would be maps and YouTube. For maps, existing map apps in China could be internationalized and polished for international market, as long as the app provides equal ease of use and user experience to Google maps, then it should not be that hard for international users to give up Google maps. This may not be that easy though, as even iOS users prefer the Google implementation over Apples own maps. Unfortunately, in the case of YouTube, I just cannot see a straightforward direct workaround or alternative. There are many Chinese platforms similar to YouTube, but the difficulty here is that is content, not platform itself. Users use YouTube for the content it contains, not because they think it is a superior platform to other media sharing platforms. As for other applications and services, I don't think there is really any that would be a big obstacle.
 
now I read (sorry if this news was already posted elsewhere: I've noticed only now)
Huawei launches 1st 5G mobile phone for commercial use
Xinhua| 2019-07-26 20:56:58
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Huawei on Friday launched its first 5G mobile phone for commercial use in Shenzhen, home to its headquarters, as the telecom giant seeks to usher in the fast-speed 5G mobile world.

He Gang, head of Huawei's mobile phone division, said at the launching ceremony that Huawei Mate 20 X (5G) gained China's first 5G network access license.

The smartphone, powered by the Balong 5000, Huawei's first 7nm multi-code 5G chipset with the Kirin 980, is currently the world's only dual-mode 5G cellphone that supports standalone/non-standalone (SA/NSA) simultaneously, He said.

Huawei started taking orders for the handset, which is priced at 6,199 yuan (about 898 U.S. dollars), on Friday afternoon. The phone will hit the market on Aug. 16.

On Friday, Huawei said its smart screens equipped with its own Hongmeng OS will hit the market soon as it seeks to enter the TV business.

The smart screens can connect multiple devices, even from multiple brands and also become a control center for smart home systems, said Yu Chengdong, chief executive officer of Huawei's consumer business.
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Photo taken on July 26, 2019 shows a 5G mobile phone Huawei Mate 20 X (5G) showing its downloading speed at the launching ceremony in Shenzhen, south China's Guangdong Province. The smartphone, powered by the Balong 5000, Huawei's first 7nm multi-code 5G chipset with the Kirin 980, is currently the world's only dual-mode 5G cellphone that supports standalone/non-standalone (SA/NSA) simultaneously. (Xinhua/Mao Siqian)
 
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Meet next-generation subway train! A new carbon fiber subway train by CRRC made debut in Beijing on Fri. With a designed speed of 140 km/h, the train features windows that can be connected to the internet and is equipped with unmanned driving and other functions
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China will build high-throughput computing data centers in more than 10 cities and form a high-speed network to improve the country's data processing ability, the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) said Thursday
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I once saw a NHK program showcasing 2 team competing on difficult technological challenge and the show I see happened how to steer bicycle without human interference. None of the team can achieve straight run more than 3 minutes
Well the Chinese team achieve this feat and some more it can avoid hindrance and respond to human commands
Amazing via Broadsword

Researchers build hybrid chip able to run autonomous bicycle


A team made up of members from a host of institutions in China, one in Singapore and one in the U.S., has built a hybrid chip that can control an autonomous bicycle. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the group describes the effort that led to the chip and how well it worked when tested.



In modern computer science, there are two basic types of ongoing research—one involves the traditional binary approach—the other involves trying to get machines to behave like the human brain. In most cases, the two approaches do not really go together because of communication difficulties between the two systems. But that may change as the team working in China has found a way to create not just a way for two such systems to communicate seamlessly, but to do it on an actual chip—one that works as demonstrated by its ability to control an autonomous bicycle. They call the new chip Tianjic and it has what they describe as an FCore architecture. Tianjic has 156 FCores, all speaking to one another in binary. Together the FCores were able to carry out processing using 40,000 compute units.
Because the chip allows easy communication between its networks, it is able to use the advantages of both types of them—a necessity for keeping a bicycle balanced while moving along a course. But the chip was able to do more than that—it also was able to carry out obstacle avoidance and could respond to oral commands.

Intriguingly, the networks running on the chip were vastly different—one was based on calculating things like distance and speed. Another was based on spiking communications, a model based on the way neurons in the brain communicate information and use it to process and respond to real-world conditions. And object detection was carried out by yet another network—a convolutional neural network that was similar to those in use in some commercial applications.
In summing up their accomplishments, the researchers added another interesting note: they suggest that the creation of their new AI chip is likely to stimulate Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) development. AGI is a term used to describe artificial intelligence that is on a par with human
 

latenlazy

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I once saw a NHK program showcasing 2 team competing on difficult technological challenge and the show I see happened how to steer bicycle without human interference. None of the team can achieve straight run more than 3 minutes
Well the Chinese team achieve this feat and some more it can avoid hindrance and respond to human commands
Amazing via Broadsword

Researchers build hybrid chip able to run autonomous bicycle


A team made up of members from a host of institutions in China, one in Singapore and one in the U.S., has built a hybrid chip that can control an autonomous bicycle. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the group describes the effort that led to the chip and how well it worked when tested.



In modern computer science, there are two basic types of ongoing research—one involves the traditional binary approach—the other involves trying to get machines to behave like the human brain. In most cases, the two approaches do not really go together because of communication difficulties between the two systems. But that may change as the team working in China has found a way to create not just a way for two such systems to communicate seamlessly, but to do it on an actual chip—one that works as demonstrated by its ability to control an autonomous bicycle. They call the new chip Tianjic and it has what they describe as an FCore architecture. Tianjic has 156 FCores, all speaking to one another in binary. Together the FCores were able to carry out processing using 40,000 compute units.
Because the chip allows easy communication between its networks, it is able to use the advantages of both types of them—a necessity for keeping a bicycle balanced while moving along a course. But the chip was able to do more than that—it also was able to carry out obstacle avoidance and could respond to oral commands.

Intriguingly, the networks running on the chip were vastly different—one was based on calculating things like distance and speed. Another was based on spiking communications, a model based on the way neurons in the brain communicate information and use it to process and respond to real-world conditions. And object detection was carried out by yet another network—a convolutional neural network that was similar to those in use in some commercial applications.
In summing up their accomplishments, the researchers added another interesting note: they suggest that the creation of their new AI chip is likely to stimulate Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) development. AGI is a term used to describe artificial intelligence that is on a par with human
The basic technology is probably more significant than the application in this case.
 
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