J-10 Thread IV

Pakistan Okay
Indonesia maybe
Algeria maybe
Iran? Paid for with what? And the Iranians would try for kit builds if they could.
Venezuela? Are you kidding? The nations economy is in shambles.
Argentina? It’s still rebuilding it’s economy. And it’s airforce had been under virtual house arrest for decades.
Nigeria maybe
Other Central African nations? How many actually have Air Forces?
Like Latin America Central Africa as more issues with asymmetrical threats better suited to turboprop trainers with bombs than fighters

Dizasta1 said:

J-10 potential and ideal markets are Pakistan, Indonesia, Algeria, Iran, Venezuela (once the pests are thrown behind bars), Argentina, Nigeria and certain other Central African coastal countries. Strongest candidates of them all are Pakistan, Indonesia and Iran. It is important that China establishes comprehensive and ironclad trade deals with these countries, whereby their respective economies not only benefit themselves but also China. There aren't any military sales without political capital to be gained or consolidated. Anyone who tells you otherwise, is either a misguided fool or is doing his best to mislead others.

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Define certain here, because bring up the economical map, apart from South Africa, there are precious few (if any) countries who would look at a 30 million USD plus fighter and think it is a reasonable purchase. Algeria might be a possibility though, but what role would the J-10 play amist the Su-34s and 35s is uncertain.
For Indonesia, there is the issue of whether Jakarta would just settle for more F-16s given that the US is set on decommissioning a whole lot of them, there would be alot of second hand F-16s to go around.
For Pakistan, the main deciding factor would be whether Islambad decides that the future JF-17s would be a satisfactory fighter to fill the role of a lightweight multirole fighter. What they would need more would be a heavy fighter for strike missions.
At this point of time, Beijing could have offered Iran the basic J-10 with the Doppler radar and Tehran would leap at the offer, with the situation of their air force. But this would depend on whether Beijing thinks it can gainsay US protest and potential sanctions. Given that both sides are still in the midst of exiting the trade war, and potential sale for the possible future is not likely.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Pakistan Okay
Indonesia maybe
Algeria maybe
Iran? Paid for with what? And the Iranians would try for kit builds if they could.
Venezuela? Are you kidding? The nations economy is in shambles.
Argentina? It’s still rebuilding it’s economy. And it’s airforce had been under virtual house arrest for decades.
Nigeria maybe
Other Central African nations? How many actually have Air Forces?
Like Latin America Central Africa as more issues with asymmetrical threats better suited to turboprop trainers with bombs than fighters

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That is in no small part by Britain lobbying (the result of the Falkland Wars), economy wise I would say that Argentina is perhaps the best performing out of all the nations listed here. It is certainly not swimming in cash, but there is enough for it to afford a decent amount of J-10s.

Argentina had tried several times I believe to get Western built fighters, but the deal always falls through in the end.

Viktor Jav said:

Define certain here, because bring up the economical map, apart from South Africa, there are precious few (if any) countries who would look at a 30 million USD plus fighter and think it is a reasonable purchase. Algeria might be a possibility though, but what role would the J-10 play amist the Su-34s and 35s is uncertain.
For Indonesia, there is the issue of whether Jakarta would just settle for more F-16s given that the US is set on decommissioning a whole lot of them, there would be alot of second hand F-16s to go around.
For Pakistan, the main deciding factor would be whether Islambad decides that the future JF-17s would be a satisfactory fighter to fill the role of a lightweight multirole fighter. What they would need more would be a heavy fighter for strike missions.
At this point of time, Beijing could have offered Iran the basic J-10 with the Doppler radar and Tehran would leap at the offer, with the situation of their air force. But this would depend on whether Beijing thinks it can gainsay US protest and potential sanctions. Given that both sides are still in the midst of exiting the trade war, and potential sale for the possible future is not likely.

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Indonesia is also involved in KFX/IFX programme. They go back and forth on that aircraft, but I would suspect that obviate a J-10 acquisition, especially given their already mixed fleet.

The only country China might sell J10s to would be Iran, on account of Iran’s poor relations with Pakistan, which would make a JF17 sale problematic.

For every other possible customer, the JF17 would be a much better sales option.

But even for Iran, any sales talk would seem more likely to be a diplomatic leverage rather than a serious desire to sale. For example, if the US offered something truly objectionable for sale to Taiwan, China may float the idea of arms sales to Iran as a counter to try and get the Americans to back off.

The countries I have stated "are" potential customers for the J-10s. This is based political-economic factors. Because lets face it, all the Middle Eastern Oil States puppets bowing their heads obediently to the West.

Direct orders for J-10s wouldn't come thick 'n' fast. China would benefit from inclusive trade deals, using the J-10s as their "Trump Card" (if I may say so) which would tie in potential trade partners intrinsically. Iran for instance can sell China it's oil and gas conducting this trade in Yuan. Buying oil and gas would be essential for China to diversify its supplies. In return, China can market it's J-10s to Iran which can purchase them in Yuans.

The world really doesn't need to "shit it's pants" every time America threatens the world with its petrodollar muscle. Nor should the world be so dependent on international trade electronic transactions, which are Western based. Trade has to be free and fair in a market which has the freedom to conduct business of it's own free will. And this is where it is essential to expand and consolidate alliances in Asia, Africa and Latin America.

J-10s have enormous potential for sales in various countries around the world. China and Russia must think outside the box.

They say that the world has experienced the most freedom in centuries. That isn't true, but it can be, so long as the People's Republic of China, the Russian Federation, the Central Asian Republics, the South East Asian States, along with Africa and Latin America establish core trade with each other, independent and free of any Western influence or blackmail.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Iran? Paid for with what?
Venezuela? Are you kidding? The nations economy is in shambles.

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Oil. But China will need to send their Navy to provide an escort for the oil tankers back home to prevent hijacking (i.e. Grace 1).

The Rafale also took like over 20 years before the French made a sale.
I think the same could happen with the J-10 and Iran. If the Chinese are willing to risk angering the US over it.
I think it would be a perfect counter in case the US do sell F-16s to Taiwan.

Is the J-10 actually an approved export item by China? There seems to be a lot of talk but no sale has actually materialised to my knowledge. Even the JF-17 has managed to secure some customers and aren't they within the same price point? Is it the product, price, positioning or politics that is in the way? The 4 "P's" that you learn in marketing or Business School.

The obvious customer is the PAF. Why aren't they buying it?

gelgoog said:

The Rafale also took like over 20 years before the French made a sale.
I think the same could happen with the J-10 and Iran. If the Chinese are willing to risk angering the US over it.
I think it would be a perfect counter in case the US do sell F-16s to Taiwan.

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It's really not about the US; the way that the US has been behaving, especially with weapons sales to the ROC, China is more than justified to sell weapons to every nation or entity that opposes America. The main problem is the other countries that actually have working relationships with China including Israel. Selling advanced weaponry to Iran while they're trying to make a deal to calm Iran down slaps everyone in the face and that's the main consideration holding China back.