China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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Even if you have 24/7 coverage, that doesn't mean you have real time targeting data. Satellites often are trade offs due to launch weight issue. That means either the image processing is handled onboard or it is downloaded at regular orbital intervals for further processing. Either way you are looking at hours of delay and that is just a starting piece in the kill chain. You will then need to route it through the fusion centre for corroboration and actual situational confirmation in terms of coordinates and target sets. That is then routed to command centre for determination of tasking orders of number and type of missiles, launch and target sequence against target sets. An assessment of strike package success probability and tasking orders are then moved higher up within the military command structure before it lands in civilian leadership for deliberation and decision. A green light then means the tasking orders are routed to the Artillery unit for fueling and input of strike coordinates. Where do you think the carrier at this point will be relative to the initial coordinates?
The Soviets went through the same process when attempting to target a US carrier battle group during the cold war. I suggest you read the Soviet account. It is very interesting because due to EMCOM, deception and counter measures, the Soviets were never really confident enough on the situational picture on where the carrier was at a given time.
Even if you have 24/7 coverage, that doesn't mean you have real time targeting data. Satellites often are trade offs due to launch weight issue. That means either the image processing is handled onboard or it is downloaded at regular orbital intervals for further processing. Either way you are looking at hours of delay and that is just a starting piece in the kill chain. You will then need to route it through the fusion centre for corroboration and actual situational confirmation in terms of coordinates and target sets. That is then routed to command centre for determination of tasking orders of number and type of missiles, launch and target sequence against target sets. An assessment of strike package success probability and tasking orders are then moved higher up within the military command structure before it lands in civilian leadership for deliberation and decision. A green light then means the tasking orders are routed to the Artillery unit for fueling and input of strike coordinates. Where do you think the carrier at this point will be relative to the initial coordinates?
The Soviets went through the same process when attempting to target a US carrier battle group during the cold war. I suggest you read the Soviet account. It is very interesting because due to EMCOM, deception and counter measures, the Soviets were never really confident enough on the situational picture on where the carrier was at a given time.
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Na that is not true the image processing is processed on board and relay to the station in realtime China recently launch a video satellite and you can see plane flying in real time I find it later
In the war the decision making is again in real time All the stake holder will be in command center and have the same image in real time
So I don't know where you get the delay from
The soviet never had a healthy and robust electronic industry like China And again it almost half century since 1960 don't you think a lot has been change since then Back then a 2 k memory computer is the size of large hall Now even your smart phone has 16 g memory
here you can see small plane take off in real time. so once you track carrier you can follow it in real time too
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Just a thought.
We see Mach 6 air-to-air missiles from Russia (R-37) and China (a new VLRAAM).
Could a MaRV or HGV warhead be tasked against (large and slow) AWACS aircraft?
A MaRV or HGV would need a lot more terminal manoeuvrability to target an aircraft instead of a ship, along with midcourse guidance.
And those improvements would equally feed into a larger available target area against a ship.
We see Mach 6 air-to-air missiles from Russia (R-37) and China (a new VLRAAM).
Could a MaRV or HGV warhead be tasked against (large and slow) AWACS aircraft?
A MaRV or HGV would need a lot more terminal manoeuvrability to target an aircraft instead of a ship, along with midcourse guidance.
And those improvements would equally feed into a larger available target area against a ship.
In theory yes, but with today's tech no. Aircraft can turn much faster than AC, aircraft is much smaller too. AC is essentially static compared with aircraft. At Mach 6, a tiny control input in a split of second will move the warhead in hundreds meters away (over steered). To counter that, I guess the computing power of the terminal guidance system will be exponentially higher than against an AC, the control step (interval) of actuator of the fins need to be exponentially tinier.
Yes, but the point i'm making is that we have already see Mach 6 air-to-air missiles which can shoot down AWACS.
So the sensors, mid-course guidance and the terminal manoeuvrability have already been demonstrated .
So how feasible would it be to turn a MaRV or HGV into an air-to-air missile?
Or come to think of it, to deploy a payload containing an actual air-to-air missile.
The economics works out, as an E-2D costs over $100M, whilst a missile should cost around $5M.
It would be informative if there was some detail on the progress charted by the Chinese SLBM and ICBMs in general.I am specifically interested in the JL-3 series as i see it as China's proper entry into the heavyweight SLBM club. What improvements are to be made in the future subseries of JL-3 ? What exactly is the range of JL-3? Could the current cited range be the maximum reach of the vehicle without a mirved payload? (Since reach can vary if payload is decreased). Where is China with respect to US in terms of Range and Mirv capabilities - A Trident D5E vs JL-3 .
About the realtime on-orbit ship identification, here is the detail which I have posted in this forum in June.
在轨试验案例⼆
2019年4⽉16⽇，在某海域进⾏船舶⾃主搜寻试验，成像时刻为上午11：07：04。开机3分钟
后，即获取⼀艘⼤型船舶信息：位置（东经：139º27’53’’，北纬：35º6’15’’）；尺度（宽度约
40m，⻓度约150m），并以快讯形式传送⾄地⾯，接收到的快讯如图2所⽰。
在轨试验案例⼆
2019年4⽉16⽇，在某海域进⾏船舶⾃主搜寻试验，成像时刻为上午11：07：04。开机3分钟
后，即获取⼀艘⼤型船舶信息：位置（东经：139º27’53’’，北纬：35º6’15’’）；尺度（宽度约
40m，⻓度约150m），并以快讯形式传送⾄地⾯，接收到的快讯如图2所⽰。
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