New 8x8 vehicles

Red not Dead

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It's a VExtra Hull, the Chinese have been trying hard to buy components of the Design back in the late 90's from France...they have suceeded in ... Buying/Stealing/copying/substituting/reverse engeneering the design.

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Ryz05

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I am quite impressed with the new wheeled armor vehicles. It seems like the PLA is adopting a new fighting strategy with a new set of systems that includes wheeled IFV, tank-destroyer, and an artillery. They might be made for the fast-reaction troops as well as for the possibility of urban combat in Taiwan, where tracked vehicles do not travel as efficiently on the island and in urban areas. The PLA is very thoughtful in taking into consideration the varieties of terrain in designing and equipping their armies.
 

Costas 240GD

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I am quite impressed with the new wheeled armor vehicles. It seems like the PLA is adopting a new fighting strategy with a new set of systems that includes wheeled IFV, tank-destroyer, and an artillery. They might be made for the fast-reaction troops as well as for the possibility of urban combat in Taiwan, where tracked vehicles do not travel as efficiently on the island and in urban areas. The PLA is very thoughtful in taking into consideration the varieties of terrain in designing and equipping their armies.

On the contrary, tracked vehicles are far more mobile in close terrain, like that found in an urban environment, although they are admittedly slower.
Controlled differential steering especially is a feature that makes the difference, as wheeled armored vehicles in the class of the Stryker as far as size is concerned that lack skid steering (an exception is the AMX-10RC that used only skid steering and the BTR-90 that has both conventional and skid steering - both can turn about their own axis) often cannot go in confined places without having to execute time-consuming maneuvers. Also bear in mind that wheeled vehicles are more susceptible to damage to their running gear (wheel puncture) not only by enemy fire, but by debris lying around as well.
 

Ryz05

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On the contrary, tracked vehicles are far more mobile in close terrain, like that found in an urban environment, although they are admittedly slower.
Controlled differential steering especially is a feature that makes the difference, as wheeled armored vehicles in the class of the Stryker as far as size is concerned that lack skid steering (an exception is the AMX-10RC that used only skid steering and the BTR-90 that has both conventional and skid steering - both can turn about their own axis) often cannot go in confined places without having to execute time-consuming maneuvers. Also bear in mind that wheeled vehicles are more susceptible to damage to their running gear (wheel puncture) not only by enemy fire, but by debris lying around as well.

Thank you for the information. It seems like wheeled vehicles in urban environments appear more in photos, and I've always thought the Stryker was built for urban combat. Additionally, Taiwan seems to have no tracked tanks - all the new models have wheels, which probably are better suited for the terrain. If skid steering help with tight turns and maneuverability, shouldn't all wheeled armored vehicles have that feature? How susceptible are they to blown-out tires, because those wheels look like they can sustain multiple hits by small-calibre rifles.
 
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sumdud

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Taiwan needs wheels because they are faster and they do not expect muchenemy on their road covered island. And that they probably lack the technology. (But can't tracks fit on urban streets? Some are very narrow.)
Although this new vehicle is based on West-Euro designs, it looks to lack the actual performance as of yet. The wheels looks relatively low, and worse is, the front wheels are set relatively far back. It helps in swimming, but will not climb obstacles well at all. (Where the Vextra's wheel is a significant portion of the front, the hull shields these wheels.) It doesn't help in passing trenches either I believe.
 

Hendrik_2000

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On the contrary, tracked vehicles are far more mobile in close terrain, like that found in an urban environment, although they are admittedly slower.
Controlled differential steering especially is a feature that makes the difference, as wheeled armored vehicles in the class of the Stryker as far as size is concerned that lack skid steering (an exception is the AMX-10RC that used only skid steering and the BTR-90 that has both conventional and skid steering - both can turn about their own axis) often cannot go in confined places without having to execute time-consuming maneuvers. Also bear in mind that wheeled vehicles are more susceptible to damage to their running gear (wheel puncture) not only by enemy fire, but by debris lying around as well.

Well modern wheeled APC has punctured resistant wheel They can run with the wheel punctured The decision to go with wheel depend on the ground resistant The track vehicle has lower ground pressure as such they are more versatile specially in the tropic where it rain a lot But even here modern 8X8 has ground pressure that approximate tracked vehicle

The benefit of wheeled wehicle is faster turn around doesn't need trailer to carry them to the battle field requiring less logistic Generaly lighter around 17 ton So can be airlifted or parachute extracted has higher speed can travel 60 miles/hr and longer radius of operation 600 mile Try to do that with the tracked vehicle, You will ruin the tracked before the enemy show up!

So it is not true that tracked vehicle is better than wheeled one
 

Costas 240GD

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One problem with designing modern wheeled vehicles is excessive ground pressure due to the fitting of heavier armament and armor. To counter this a central tyre pressure regulation system is fitted. That, however, makes the use of run-flat inserts in the tyres difficult and precludes the use of armored sidewall tyres like the "Commando Specials" of the V-100/150 series. The US Army Strykers for example have CTRS but not run-flats (or not fully run-flat tyres anyway) AFAIK. Also for a given squad size wheeled IFVs will invariably be larger, more complicated and (to achieve the same level of protection) heavier than a tracked equivalent.
 

Red not Dead

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One problem with designing modern wheeled vehicles is excessive ground pressure due to the fitting of heavier armament and armor. To counter this a central tyre pressure regulation system is fitted. That, however, makes the use of run-flat inserts in the tyres difficult and precludes the use of armored sidewall tyres like the "Commando Specials" of the V-100/150 series. The US Army Strykers for example have CTRS but not run-flats (or not fully run-flat tyres anyway) AFAIK. Also for a given squad size wheeled IFVs will invariably be larger, more complicated and (to achieve the same level of protection) heavier than a tracked equivalent.

Ahahah aren't you from the MP.net mate?;)

Great having you here.

Next time, use the PM system.
 
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MaxTesla

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This is a bad vehicle

I can directly see that the wheels are to small they need to be wider

And the whole vehicle it self is way to small it much be wider to be wide is good!

but who cares there are no wars in the future so there is plenty of time for a new design to come out
 
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