ARM cuts ties with Huawei, threatening future chip designs

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gelgoog

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Exactly. I do know GOG and some other online game stores have programs where you can share licenses with some other service. Like Steam in their case. This has to be approved by the game's publisher however.
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I think there should be legislation making this kind of facility more common. This is a degradation versus the traditional copyright model where you bought physical media and could bring it with you.
 

SteelBird

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as I listened from online news, some US hardware firms like Micron and Intel have tried and resume supply to Huawei by made outside of US and US contents less than 25%. Wonder when Google would try the same? Is it possible?
 

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as I listened from online news, some US hardware firms like Micron and Intel have tried and resume supply to Huawei by made outside of US and US contents less than 25%. Wonder when Google would try the same? Is it possible?

I suspect that the vast majority of existing Android code was programmed in the USA.
If Google were to shift programmers outside of the USA, eventually the codebase would be less than 25% US content.
But would they do this?

They have to be worried that if the Chinese smartphone market moves away from Android to Ark OS, that is already 40% of all smartphone shipments.
If there's some export sales as well, then the Ark OS user base would be larger that the Android Google userbase in about 3 years time.

That definitely means a fully-fledged Ark OS ecosystem given the speed of software development.
And it would be the end of the cosy IOS/Android duopoly in the global market.

We can already see the EU competition fining Apple and Google for their Appstore lock-in which prevents people moving licenses for apps they've already bought. The US is following.
So Europe and the world's consumers should welcome the additional competition from Ark OS, which will drive down the price of phones and apps for everyone in the world.

And the global market is big enough to support a third major smartphone operating system because
  • Global appstore revenues have doubled in the past 3 years, when there was just IOS and Android.
  • And growth is forecast at 20% per year, which means revenues will double again in the next 4 years.
 
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Huawei Personnel Worked With China’s Military on Research Projects
  • Huawei says research was not authorized by the company
  • Employees collaborated on AI and communications with military
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employees have collaborated on research projects with Chinese armed forces personnel, indicating closer ties to the country’s military than previously acknowledged by the smartphone and networking powerhouse.

Over the past decade, Huawei workers have teamed with members of various organs of the People’s Liberation Army on at least 10 research endeavors spanning artificial intelligence to radio communications. They include a joint effort with the investigative branch of the Central Military Commission -- the armed forces’ supreme body -- to extract and classify emotions in online video comments, and an
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with the elite
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to explore ways of collecting and analyzing satellite images and geographical coordinates.

Those projects are just a few of the publicly disclosed studies that shed light on how staff at China’s largest technology company teamed with the People’s Liberation Army on research into an array of potential military and security applications. Bloomberg culled the papers from published periodicals and online research databases used mainly by Chinese academics and industry specialists. The authors of the treatises, which haven’t been reported in the media previously, identified themselves as Huawei employees and the company name was prominently listed at the top of the papers.

“Huawei is not aware of its employees publishing research papers in their individual capacity,” spokesman Glenn Schloss said in a messaged statement. “Huawei does not have any R&D collaboration or partnerships with the PLA-affiliated institutions,” he said. “Huawei only develops and produces communications products that conform to civil standards worldwide, and does not customize R&D products for the military.”

China’s defense ministry didn’t respond to a faxed request for comment. Huawei Chief Legal Officer Song Liuping on Thursday reaffirmed the spokesman’s comments. “Huawei doesn’t customize products nor provide research for the military,” he
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in Shenzhen. “We are not aware of the papers some employees have published. We don’t have such joint-research projects” with the PLA.

The Trump administration has imposed strict limits on Huawei’s ability to do business with U.S. companies and urged allies to follow suit, saying it poses a national security threat. Washington has zeroed in on what it says is Huawei’s close association with the armed forces in part because billionaire founder Ren Zhengfei -- a self-avowed Party loyalist -- was an officer who
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on communications during his military tenure.

It’s unclear whether the studies Bloomberg saw -- dating back to 2006 and discovered during a search of an online
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used in part by professors to root out plagiarism among college students -- encompassed every instance of Huawei-employee collaboration with the PLA. Many sensitive projects are classified or just never make it online. While researchers with both Huawei and the military published thousands of papers according to that database, only the 10 Bloomberg saw were joint efforts. And the company employs upwards of 180,000 people.

Tech companies and military agencies have been collaborating around the world for decades, generating many of the technologies that underpin the modern internet. In China, that public-private relationship is particularly close-knit because of Beijing’s sway in every sector of the economy. But Huawei consistently plays down suggestions that Ren’s background influences the corporation in any way, and says its relationship with the military is minimal and non-political.

The research papers show one area of overlap, at least in terms of personnel. While they don’t prove that Huawei itself has close links to the Chinese military, they do show that the company’s relationship -- or at least that of its employees -- with the PLA is more nuanced than its executives have previously outlined publicly.

Huawei has said it never discloses sensitive information to the government and wouldn’t even if asked. Ren himself has shrugged off Huawei’s relationship with the military since he emerged from semi-seclusion in
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to speak with foreign media for the first time in years.

“We have no cooperation with the military on research,” he told reporters in Shenzhen in January, according to a transcript that Huawei provided. “Perhaps we sell them a small amount of civilian equipment. Just how much, I’m not clear on because we don’t regard them as a core customer.”

The armed forces too have strongly denied official links to Huawei. “Huawei is not a military company,” Defense Minister General Wei Fenghe
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at the Shangri-La Dialogue in Singapore in June. “Do not think that because the head of Huawei used to serve in the military, then the company that he built is part of the military.”

Yet the extent of Huawei’s military ties remains a topic of intense scrutiny in the U.S. because of the role the PLA has had in issues ranging from ratcheting up tensions in the South China Sea to alleged acts of state-sponsored hacking. Its opaque operations and far-reaching powers in a country obsessed with stability have also raised concerns. Chairmanship of the Central Military Commission is often thought to be key to maintaining power in the country, which is why Xi Jinping and his predecessors were appointed heads of the body. The leader has doubled down on a policy dubbed “civil-military integration,” which aims to harness technology for military purposes. Beijing has thus encouraged greater participation from private companies in the defense sector.

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Bloomberg was unable to contact the employees listed or determine whether they remain at the company.

The online sentiment classification
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, which lists Shanghai-based Huawei employee Li Hui as its lead author -- focused on video and improving the accuracy of natural language processing algorithms. It yielded “very high accuracy,” according to a paper published in the May 2019 edition of Netinfo Security, a journal owned by a research institute of the Ministry of Public Security. Researchers used 240,000 comments to train their AI algorithms before testing them on a data pool of a million entries.

Li identified his or her employer as
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The three co-researchers listed on the paper hailed from the PLA’s central committee, an elite IT research lab, and another military unit, the paper showed. The project was funded by the National 242 Information Security Project, a program created by Beijing to support IT security research efforts.

Wong Kam Fai, a Chinese University of Hong Kong professor who studies natural language processing, said that it’s common that universities in China and companies would collaborate with the government or military. Chinese “universities are quite open to working with the military. If it’s very sensitive, it will be classified.”

Wong said the papers on using technology to detect emotions in videos weren’t particularly cutting edge, which partly explains why they can be made public. “Different projects have different sensitivity levels and sometimes the government will own the IP,” he added. “It’s possible that there’s a lot of research that people are just not seeing, because some military research is sensitive and classified.”

In addition, researchers sometimes put their employer’s name on papers without notifying the company, or wait till the paper comes out before doing. That’s because there’s a good chance some papers may never get published.

The author of a 2006
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on America’s combat network radio -- Zheng Chuangming, from the Shenzhen Huawei Base -- looked into how U.S. software algorithms helped boost efficiency and conserve power. Zheng had published a more general paper on the same system only months earlier but listed his affiliation on
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as working with two military researchers on the genesis and outlook of the geographical information system, used to collate and parse location data. That’s according to a study included in papers published after an academic seminar on telecommunications in the northern city of Dalian in 2009. It’s not clear if Li, who worked in the Foundation Department of Huawei Technologies Co., remains with the company. One of his co-researchers came from the National University of Defense Technology, one of the country’s best military academies. A third author was from a PLA entity that only showed up as a unit designation, according to publicly available information.

And in yet another
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published in 2013, Huawei employee Zhou Jian worked with a PLA hospital on ways to help doctors better detect heart signals. The study was funded by the PLA’s 12th Five Year project, according to an introduction to the paper posted on cnki.cn, an online archive of academic research papers. Zhou is identified as an employee of Huawei Technologies Co.

“In the U.S. they have similar arrangements as well. The U.S. has military grants,” Wong said. “There are many sources of funding, including from the military for research.”
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in case you didn't know
Huawei Personnel Worked With China’s Military on Research Projects



    • Huawei says research was not authorized by the company
    • Employees collaborated on AI and communications with military
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Some western media, particularly Bloomberg and Reuters, are obseesed with unocvering "dirt" or "dirty secret" from Huawei, all of them have ended up being smearing or making themselves look ludicrous. This one is no exception.

By the way, Microsoft, Amazon, Google do all of business with Pentagon.
 

gelgoog

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Some western media, particularly Bloomberg and Reuters, are obseesed with unocvering "dirt" or "dirty secret" from Huawei, all of them have ended up being smearing or making themselves look ludicrous. This one is no exception.

By the way, Microsoft, Amazon, Google do all of business with Pentagon.

Yeah no kidding. Microsoft even licensed Windows to use in US Navy ships. It is probably in the Ford carrier. Lol.
Amazon has a huge deal to store the US government's data in their AWS cloud service.
Google allegedly had a couple of programs as well.

With regards to Intel and Micron. Intel has a NAND memory factory in China proper. So I suspect that is what they are selling to them. The CPUs would be kind of sketchy, but Intel does have a factory and even a chip design team at Haifa, Israel.
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So they could argue most of the content is in fact produced outside the US if they wanted to I think. Intel also has an US design team but I think they are designing the next generation architecture. Intel typically alternate chip designs between US and Israeli teams kind of like ARM does with its US and French design centers.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Sorry but employees of a private company working with government entities is not a crime. In the US, an American corporation literally owns anything you create when your employed by them.

If it was discovered you were immune to all disease because of your genetic makeup and could transfer that immunity to others, unless you discovered it on your own, in the US whoever did discover it actually owns it. So if you want to be altruistic and want to help people suffering from disease for free, you have no right to your own genes. And then the doctor or scientist who discovered it, unless they're independent, the employers they work for owns it.

Trump is worried about China discovering the cure for cancer. Why? Because he wants Americans to profit by it. They'll counter saying it's China that wants to profit by it. But then someone posted that article in here where cancer drugs equivalent to their American counterparts are a whole lot cheaper than in the US.

So who's the one that has twisted ethics that are not to be trusted?
 
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